Why do some today not properly understand the Bible?

[Humanistheart]

K, I'll make sure I read those...

And seeing that you're an atheist, you probably are convinced that Mary was not a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus, right? Maybe Joseph WAS Jesus' biological father. Or maybe that's impossible, I dunno... if I remember correctly, she was found to be pregnant before they got married... hmm, I doubt that Joseph and Mary would have been sleeping around with eachother before marriage, seeing that they were both good Jews...

I think that, if mary was indeed a real person and the mother of jesus, and that if theres any truth to be gleamed from the bible, it's more likely mary was the victim or roman rape, quite common of the time. In which case Joseph spared her from shame by marrying her. An interesting thing about the NT though, Joseph never shows up in any stories outside jesus' youth, so where did he go? Perhaps he died early in jesus' life, assuming he existed at all.

Both good jews? I can't tell if you say this in jest or not. I know plenty of christians and jewish girls today that have gotten pregnant outside of marriage after all.

 

[Shiner2]

Greetings

Welcome to RF, ye of the sightless mind. I wish you a safe journey through your path of ignorance and elitism.

GhK.

GiantHouseKey!
Are you aware, that taking offence to something a mature Bible-Student has written, is tantamount, to taking offence to what Jehovah had revealed to his Son, who in turn revealed to his Twelve Apostles; to all of the Bible writers; who, in turn revealed it to us. As well, something that has been revealed to us today by means of the Holy Spirit? Now, isn't that, as I said to you before, a very dangerous stance, for someone who professes to be Christian to take? It is dangerous, because it is treading into the ground of committing the sin against the Holy Spirit, who is the main principle teaching instrument used by Jehovah today, to teach us all of the truths contained in the Bible. {John 14:26;15:15;16:13 {1 John 2:27}
By your taking of offence, without saying it, you are saying that you know more about the Holy Writings than I do. That being the case, allow me to put something to you, that will prove just how much Bible knowledge you're in possession of. Being, as you, very probably make claim that you are a Christian, you should be able to do what it is, I'm about to ask you. Of course a really true Christian has knowledge of Jehovah's Holy Book. The reason being, all Christians are under obligation to impart their knowledge to others. {John 17:3}
I`m asking you, to do what I do! Sit down, design a Theme for a discourse you are going to present to others, as I do. Make a brief introduction to your discourse, then as you go, thread your theme down throughout the entire body of your talk. Imagine in your mind, you have tied two golden threads to your Theme, and thread these two golden threads completely through the body of your talk until you reach your conclusion. So, at the conclusion of your talk, you`ll be able to tie those two golden threads together in a neat little bow; and your conclusion will harmonize perfectly with your Theme.
Now, you may be hard pressed to know what to write about; so allow me to aid you in this matter; and give you the Theme to write about. Now, as I said, you profess to be a Christian, and, I would assume that most Christians know their Bible, so you shouldn`t have too much difficulty in dealing with the Bible subject, that I`ll now give you to write about.
Your subject will deal with the words of the Apostle John at Revelation 17:11 "And the Wild Beast that WAS, but IS NOT, it is also itself an Eighth King, but springs from the SEVEN, and it goes off into destruction."
Your Theme might well read" Who is the Eighth KIng?" From where did he spring?" In all fairness, I should tell you, that I've already written a Thirty -Eight page article on this subject. In doing so, I was able to determine exactly where the Eighth King sprang from. In that scripture by John, you will notice, that he springs from the SEVEN, not the SEVENTH. That is where many who have tried to figure this out have been going wrong.
They believe he springs from the seventh, as in Seventh World power. That is incorrect! I learned that for certain. So, if you do go at this, keep that point in mind. It is very imortant. If you can, on your own, actually learn where he sprang from, all the rest will easily fall into place. You would learn exactly which generation Jesus was talking about, that would not pass away. You would learn, at what time period the great tribulation will occur, and what will trigger that. You would learn exactly who the Anti-Christ is, and what constitutes the Abomination of desolation. When the harvest season begins. You would also learn that this Eighth KIng will set up a one World Government, where everyone on pain of death or starvatioin will be forced to receive a mark on their right hand and on their forehead. Much more than that, as well. So! Go ahead GiantHouseKey answer the question and show me up for the false prophet, you intimated I was. One final question to you! Would Jehovah, through his Holy Spirit reveal to a false prophet everything that I have told you here?
Was it to turn out that you are interested in reading this 38 page article that I've written, you will find my e-mail address in the post, I titled: "Is anyone interested in this?"
Just send me an e-mail and I'll copy and paste it into a reply e-mail back to you. As yet, I haven't learned how to send a file attachment. What with all that I have to do these days, I just haven't had the time to learn how to do that. Will do though, later on. Shiner2

 

[S-word]

I think that, if mary was indeed a real person and the mother of jesus, and that if theres any truth to be gleamed from the bible, it's more likely mary was the victim or roman rape, quite common of the time. In which case Joseph spared her from shame by marrying her. An interesting thing about the NT though, Joseph never shows up in any stories outside jesus' youth, so where did he go? Perhaps he died early in jesus' life, assuming he existed at all.

Both good jews? I can't tell if you say this in jest or not. I know plenty of christians and jewish girls today that have gotten pregnant outside of marriage after all.

Oh for goodness sake read the Bible if you're gonig to quote from it, See Luke 3: 23, and forget the (As was supposed) in brakets which was a later addition. Jesus was the biological son of Joseph the son of Heli who had also sired Mary. The parents of Jesus were sired by the same Father, just like Abraham and Sarah who were both sired by Terah and who were the parents of Isaac who was a prototype of Jesus, whose mother Sarah, like Mary, was told by an angel that she would conceive and bear a son, who like Jesus was offered up as a sacrifice by his father, and on the very same mountain upon which Jesus was crucified and both are said to have been born of the promise of God according to the workings of the holy Spirit.

Joseph was a Levite, who consorted with his then (Unknown) half sister at the gathering of the family of Elisabeth the expecting mother of John the baptist, who was of the daughters of Levi and the cousin to Mary who was a virgin when told by the angel Gabriel that she was going to become pregnant. And Joseph the son of Heli and biological Father of Jesus is a descendant of Nathan the son of Uriah the Hittite who became a member of the tribe of Levi by his marriage to Bathsheba the daughter of Ammiel the son of Obed-Edom who is a descendant of Moses through the second wife of Moses the Levite, which second wife, was the daughter of Hobab the Kennite.

And this Joseph who is the biological father of Jesus, should in no way be confused with the Joseph who is of the tribe of Judah and the son of Jacob who is a descendant of Solomon the son of Bathsheba and King David who was not only the stepfather to Nathan the Levitical preist, but as he married the daughter of David, then Nathan was also his son-in-law.

The other Joseph mentioned in Matthew who was of the tribe of judah and a descendant of Solomon, did not have any sexual relations with Mary until she had birthed her first son, Jesus the biological son of Joseph the son of Heli a descendant of Nathan the son of Uriah the Hittite and Bathsheba the Levite, who became the stepson of his mothers husband Joseph the son of jacob from the tribe of Judah who was a descendant of Solomon the only surviving son of David and Bathsheba.

 

[Shiner2]

quote=Shiner2; Your "Christian" attitude, casts a great deal of doubt on your claim to being a Christian, if you do, in fact believe that you are. I assume, because your on this Board, you believe that you are.

You assume to much my dear friend: If you believe for one moment that to be on
this forum one must be a christian, then matey, aren't you in for a rude awakening.

Rise up all you Atheists, Muslims, Buddhists and whoever, let's open the blind eyes of this poor soul.

S-Word!
You're absolutely correct! I have been assuming that everyone on these Boards are Christians. Thank you for bringing that to my attention! It explains a lot to me. What's that expression? When you assume something, "you make an *** out of you and an *** out of me?" How true, eh? I sure did that, didn't I?
Would you mind telling me something? I know I shouldn't be posting on this Board; but everywhere I looked in other areas, I could find nowhere where it said, "New Thread." What have I been missing. I know at 77 my eyesight really isn't what it used to be, but I'm still not entirely blind. Having said that, I still cannot learn how to post properly. You should also know, that I haven't been doing this to puposely annoy anyone. It is an honest error, and don't we all make those? Shiner2

 

[tumbleweed41]

GiantHouseKey!.....
Now, as I said, you profess to be a Christian, and, I would assume that most Christians know their Bible, so you shouldn`t have too much difficulty in dealing with the Bible subject, that I`ll now give you to write about.
..... Shiner2

Shiner2,
Do you not read any of the posts in your thread?
This is The Religious Education Forum, many who post here are not Christians.
GiantHousKey is not a Christian.
GiantHouseKey never "professed to be a Christian".

BTW, to prevent any confusion on your part,
I am not a Christian.

Clear?

 

[S-word]

I do not recall the warrior king prophecy, or the whole era of peace thing, but I do have scripture for the line of david:

Quote:
Matthew 1:1-16
A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham:
Abraham was the father of Isaac,
Isaac the father of Jacob,
Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,
Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar,
Perez the father of Hezron,
Hezron the father of Ram,
Ram the father of Amminadab,
Amminadab the father of Nahshon,
Nahshon the father of Salmon,
Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab,
Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth,
Obed the father of Jesse,
and Jesse the father of King David.
David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah's wife,
Solomon the father of Rehoboam,
Rehoboam the father of Abijah,
Abijah the father of Asa,
Asa the father of Jehoshaphat,
Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram,
Jehoram the father of Uzziah,
Uzziah the father of Jotham,
Jotham the father of Ahaz,
Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,
Hezekiah the father of Manasseh,
Manasseh the father of Amon,
Amon the father of Josiah,
and Josiah the father of Jeconiah and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon.
After the exile to Babylon:
Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel,
Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,
Zerubbabel the father of Abuiud,
Abiud the father of Eliakim,
Eliakim the father of Azor,
Azor the father of Zadok,
Zadok the father of Akim,
Akim the father of Eliud,
Eliud the father of Eleazar,
Eleazar the father of Matthan,
Matthan the father of Jacob,
and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
Phew, I'd hate to have to be the one who wrote all those names for a living XD.
So assuming you count Joseph as Jesus' father, and assuming this line is accurate, then yes, Jesus was from the line of David.

Quote:

The genealogy you have quoted is that of Joseph the stepfather of jesus, If you wish to read the genealogy of Jesus then read Luke 3: 23.

 

[S-word]

I do not recall the warrior king prophecy, or the whole era of peace thing, but I do have scripture for the line of david:

Phew, I'd hate to have to be the one who wrote all those names for a living XD.
So assuming you count Joseph as Jesus' father, and assuming this line is accurate, then yes, Jesus was from the line of David.

Fetch me the ones on the warrior king and era of peace thing, please.

Malachi 3: 1-2, The Lord Almighty answers, I will send my messenger to prepare the way for me. Then the Lord you are looking for will suddenly come to his temple. The messenger you long to see will come and proclaim my covenant."

But who will be able to endure the day when he comes? Who will be able to survive when he appears? He will be like strong soap, like a fire that refines metal." It is Elijah, the prophet of fire who was carried up to Enoch who is the one who comes to prepare the way for the Lord. And it is Elijah who destroyed all the prophets of Baal, who would dare to worship the immortal God in the image of a man.
Numbers 24: 17, “A king, like a bright star, will arise in that Nation. Like a comet he will come from Israel. He will strike the leaders of Moab and beat down all the people of Seth. He will conquer his enemies in Edom and make their land his property. While Israel continues victorious. The Nation of Israel will trample them down and wipe out the last survivors.”

Isaiah 63: 1-6, “Who is this coming from the city of Bozrah in Edom? Who is this so splendidly dressed in red, marching along in power and strength?” It is the Lord, powerful to save, coming to announce his victory. “Why is his clothing so red, like that of a man who tramples grapes to make wine?”
The Lord answers, “I have trampled the nations like grapes and no one came to help me. I trampled them in my anger, and their blood has stained all my clothing. I decided that the time to save my people had come; it was time to punish their enemies, I was amazed when I looked and saw that there was no one to help me. But my anger made me strong, and I won the victory myself. In my anger I trampled whole nations and shattered them, I poured out their life’s blood on the earth.”

O! You shepherd of the darkness who claims God sent You out
And even though we know that’s true, that fact I wouldn’t flout
For God commanded Zechariah, “Throw my wages ‘cross the floor,
Those thirty bits of silver, for I’ll guide this flock no more
A worthless shepherd now I’ll raise to guide this stubborn flock
And he will be a useless one, of him I’ll take no stock
For he’ll not feed my little ones, nor search for them that’s lost
But he eats the meat of the fattest sheep. And their hoofs? He tears them off
That worthless shepherd, he is doomed for abandoning my flock
His power, will I destroy by war, his arm will wither dry, then drop
And his right eye will I turn Blind, that’s why he’s never seen
The passage where I speak of him, Zechariah eleven—twelve to seventeen....By S-word

Zechariah 13: 7, The Lord Almighty says, “Wake up Sword, and attack the shepherd who works for me! Kill him.

It will be on that great day of tribulation that the Lord gathers all the nations around Jerusalem, Zechariah 12: 10, and they will look upon me and see the one who they pierced, and they shall mourn for him as one mourns for an only child etc.

The Lord will come to fight for his people Israel as he has fought in times past and from within the inner most sanctuary of his tabernacle which is the body of mankind, he will fight the enemies of Israel; those Nations who surround Jerusalem in their attempt to drive God's chosen people into the sea. The Lord will throw them into a state of total confusion, and the weapons of destruction with which they would destroy Israel, he will cause them to turn upon their own allies and they shall suffer a terrible disease, the soft tissue such as their eyes and tongues will melt in their sockets, and their radiated flesh cooked to the bone will slide from their bodies while still standing.

Then all the surviving Nations will go up each year to Jerusalem in the land of Israel, to worship the Lord as King and woe betide those who refuse to do so, See Zechariah 14.

 

[sojourner]

How depressing.....

I completely agree. "Hi! I'm new here! I'm a Christian, but I'm going to set the tone for relationship here by ticking everyone off, including all Trinitarian Christians, whom I've just assumed do not understand their own religion."

Wow!

 

[sojourner]

Are you aware, that taking offence to something a mature Bible-Student has written, is tantamount, to taking offence to what Jehovah had revealed to his Son, who in turn revealed to his Twelve Apostles; to all of the Bible writers; who, in turn revealed it to us. As well, something that has been revealed to us today by means of the Holy Spirit? Now, isn't that, as I said to you before, a very dangerous stance, for someone who professes to be Christian to take? It is dangerous, because it is treading into the ground of committing the sin against the Holy Spirit, who is the main principle teaching instrument used by Jehovah today, to teach us all of the truths contained in the Bible.

Entitlement is not one of the Christian virtues.

In all fairness, I should tell you, that I've already written a Thirty -Eight page article on this subject. In doing so, I was able to determine exactly where the Eighth King sprang from.

Isn't that extra-special?!

I'm more interested in your educational credentials than I am with the fact that you've written a "38-page article."

 

[S-word]

Entitlement is not one of the Christian virtues.

Isn't that extra-special?!

I'm more interested in your educational credentials than I am with the fact that you've written a "38-page article."

Come on sojourner, he's 77, so lets give him a little more rope before hauling him in.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I can't work out what yourintention in starting this thread was.
was it simply to proselytize.

 

[sojourner]

Come on sojourner, he's 77, so lets give him a little more rope before hauling him in.

At that age, he should know better.

 

[OmarKhayyam]

At that age, he should know better.

I am almost 70 and I do - know better that is.

 

[Humanistheart]

Oh for goodness sake read the Bible if you're gonig to quote from it, See Luke 3: 23, and forget the (As was supposed) in brakets which was a later addition. Jesus was the biological son of Joseph the son of Heli who had also sired Mary. The parents of Jesus were sired by the same Father, just like Abraham and Sarah who were both sired by Terah and who were the parents of Isaac who was a prototype of Jesus, whose mother Sarah, like Mary, was told by an angel that she would conceive and bear a son, who like Jesus was offered up as a sacrifice by his father, and on the very same mountain upon which Jesus was crucified and both are said to have been born of the promise of God according to the workings of the holy Spirit.

Joseph was a Levite, who consorted with his then (Unknown) half sister at the gathering of the family of Elisabeth the expecting mother of John the baptist, who was of the daughters of Levi and the cousin to Mary who was a virgin when told by the angel Gabriel that she was going to become pregnant. And Joseph the son of Heli and biological Father of Jesus is a descendant of Nathan the son of Uriah the Hittite who became a member of the tribe of Levi by his marriage to Bathsheba the daughter of Ammiel the son of Obed-Edom who is a descendant of Moses through the second wife of Moses the Levite, which second wife, was the daughter of Hobab the Kennite.

And this Joseph who is the biological father of Jesus, should in no way be confused with the Joseph who is of the tribe of Judah and the son of Jacob who is a descendant of Solomon the son of Bathsheba and King David who was not only the stepfather to Nathan the Levitical preist, but as he married the daughter of David, then Nathan was also his son-in-law.

The other Joseph mentioned in Matthew who was of the tribe of judah and a descendant of Solomon, did not have any sexual relations with Mary until she had birthed her first son, Jesus the biological son of Joseph the son of Heli a descendant of Nathan the son of Uriah the Hittite and Bathsheba the Levite, who became the stepson of his mothers husband Joseph the son of jacob from the tribe of Judah who was a descendant of Solomon the only surviving son of David and Bathsheba.

Let me see if I'm understanding you correctly. Are you positing that the two birth accounts of jesus are connected. that both are true, in seperate but related ways?

 

[S-word]

Let me see if I'm understanding you correctly. Are you positing that the two birth accounts of jesus are connected. that both are true, in seperate but related ways?

Absolutely.

Mark and John ignore the physical birth of Jesus the man as totally irrelevant to the story of God’s Son, and begin their account with the Baptism of the man Jesus when he was born of God’s spirit and was filled with the spirit of the Lord that descended upon him in the form of a dove, as the voice from heaven was heard to say, “You are my beloved in whom I am pleased, Today I have become your Father,” see the more ancient authorities of Luke 3: 23. For the man Jesus did not take upon himself the honour of high priest, instead, after he had been brought to perfection God declared him to be high priest in the line of succession to melchizedek with these words, “Today I Have become your Father” see Hebrew 5: 5-10.


The account in Luke refers to the baby Jesus who was not even two months old when his mother Mary took him back to Nazareth in Galilee, whereas the account in Matthew is concerned with the young child who was almost two years old when the wise men came looking for him, who then lived in the district of the northern town of Bethlehem which is about two miles from Nazareth and the magnificent Hellenistic city of Sepphorus in which so many families lost their lives in 4 B.C., the year in which Herod ordered the death of every male child in that district who was two years and below, according to the time that Herod had learned from the wise men that they first saw the star that had heralded the birth of Jesus in either late 7 or early 6 B.C.

 

[Humanistheart]

Absolutely.

Mark and John ignore the physical birth of Jesus the man as totally irrelevant to the story of God’s Son, and begin their account with the Baptism of the man Jesus when he was born of God’s spirit and was filled with the spirit of the Lord that descended upon him in the form of a dove, as the voice from heaven was heard to say, “You are my beloved in whom I am pleased, Today I have become your Father,” see the more ancient authorities of Luke 3: 23. For the man Jesus did not take upon himself the honour of high priest, instead, after he had been brought to perfection God declared him to be high priest in the line of succession to melchizedek with these words, “Today I Have become your Father” see Hebrew 5: 5-10.


The account in Luke refers to the baby Jesus who was not even two months old when his mother Mary took him back to Nazareth in Galilee, whereas the account in Matthew is concerned with the young child who was almost two years old when the wise men came looking for him, who then lived in the district of the northern town of Bethlehem which is about two miles from Nazareth and the magnificent Hellenistic city of Sepphorus in which so many families lost their lives in 4 B.C., the year in which Herod ordered the death of every male child in that district who was two years and below, according to the time that Herod had learned from the wise men that they first saw the star that had heralded the birth of Jesus in either late 7 or early 6 B.C.

Intersting take on this. So, do you see one of the books then as an extention of the other or merely that they coincide to reveal more truth than people realize specifically in relation to the narratives of jesus' birth/early childhood? Or something else?

 

[McBell]

Come on sojourner, he's 77, so lets give him a little more rope before hauling him in.

Seems to me the more rope you give him the bigger the noose he creates around his neck.

 

[TashaN]

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[LittleNipper]

Absolutely.

Mark and John ignore the physical birth of Jesus the man as totally irrelevant to the story of God’s Son, and begin their account with the Baptism of the man Jesus when he was born of God’s spirit and was filled with the spirit of the Lord that descended upon him in the form of a dove, as the voice from heaven was heard to say, “You are my beloved in whom I am pleased, Today I have become your Father,” see the more ancient authorities of Luke 3: 23. For the man Jesus did not take upon himself the honour of high priest, instead, after he had been brought to perfection God declared him to be high priest in the line of succession to melchizedek with these words, “Today I Have become your Father” see Hebrew 5: 5-10.


The account in Luke refers to the baby Jesus who was not even two months old when his mother Mary took him back to Nazareth in Galilee, whereas the account in Matthew is concerned with the young child who was almost two years old when the wise men came looking for him, who then lived in the district of the northern town of Bethlehem which is about two miles from Nazareth and the magnificent Hellenistic city of Sepphorus in which so many families lost their lives in 4 B.C., the year in which Herod ordered the death of every male child in that district who was two years and below, according to the time that Herod had learned from the wise men that they first saw the star that had heralded the birth of Jesus in either late 7 or early 6 B.C.

I feel the one linage runs through to HIS birth mother Mary and the other through HIS adoptive earthly father Joseph...

 

[arimoff]

As far as I see it, it is the one who started this thread is the one who doesn't proparly understand the bible. First of all if I don't believe in Jesus then I don't understand the bible is that right? But did you ever think for a moment what if it is all a lie?

Let's see: if Jesus is son of G-D then he is not son of Joseph so he is not from linege of David then he is not the Messiah. If he is the son of Joseph then he is not the son of G-D.

Now for all those who can't understand me I will tell you that you are the ones who don't understand the. Bible. Because the Torah says if a child is born to a woman from not the seed of her husband the he is a "mamzer" (bastered).

Now if Joseph was Marrys husband but she got pregnant from the holy spirit then Jesus becomes a mamzer, now you really can't think that G-D had a son for Him self who is a bastered don't you? So you are the one who is not undersanding it right.