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Why do the laws of physics exist?

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
That doesn't really take care of the question, it just moves it a step backwards:

Why do all observable entities seem to act along a certain set of rules?
You are doing it backwards. It is not that these this act along a set of rules. It is that we make up descriptions of how these things act.
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Staff member
Premium Member
That doesn't really take care of the question, it just moves it a step backwards:

Why do all observable entities seem to act along a certain set of rules?

Hey, man. Thanks for rewording my question - I simply suck at creating a clear image without complicated description.
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
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fantôme profane;3759270 said:
You are doing it backwards. It is not that these this act along a set of rules. It is that we make up descriptions of how these things act.

Yes, but we describe how things act by observing things actually acting that way. Sure, the laws of physics were only things observed and described by humans - but the actual laws do have existence, observed or not. Gravity still is an occurrence, and still would be if we didn't know about it.

What I'm asking is why these real-world occurrences occur.
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
I can't really see something being there only because it is. Not saying you're wrong, but it just doesn't make sense to me.

You need more magic. Nothing wrong with that, some of us can just see the flair and beauty in what actually exists.
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend The Sum Of Awe,

Why do the laws of physics exist?
Guess, one does not get the answer from looking out but it lies within.
Deep within is where THAT union 'yoga' is happening and one can BE in THAT 'Oneness' but cannot discuss it, only at best point towards IT.

Love & rgds
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Yes, but we describe how things act by observing things actually acting that way. Sure, the laws of physics were only things observed and described by humans - but the actual laws do have existence, observed or not. Gravity still is an occurrence, and still would be if we didn't know about it.

What I'm asking is why these real-world occurrences occur.
Why is the sky blue instead of orange? But if it was orange we would be asking Why is the sky orange instead of blue. We could say the sky is blue because of the diffusion of light. And then you could ask why light diffuses that way, and I could make some reference to waves and quantum physics, and I could talk about neurology and perception. But you could follow that up with more "why" questions. And this might lead to new understanding and new discoveries, but there would always be more "why" questions. Expecting an ultimate answer is bound to be futile and frustrating.

I can't really see something being there only because it is. Not saying you're wrong, but it just doesn't make sense to me.
I can understand how just saying "it is what it is" would be unsatisfying. But there actually is no reason there should be a reason that we find satisfying.
 

Robert.Evans

You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
Why are things the way they are? Why does gravity exist? Why do gravitons act in the way they do? Why is time relative? Why does an object in motion stay in motion? Why can't something come from nothing? etc. etc.

Somewhere down the line, far beyond what we know, there has to be something completely random and chaotic, something that just happened to exist.

I would, personally, assume it's of another world, something that doesn't abide physical laws and therefore is not physical. It'd be something more perfect than the imperfect, limited physical world.

Which is why I believe in an all pervading force connecting the physical world from boundaries technically outside it. But this connection between the two is so strong that they literally become each other.

To me, it'd save a lot of time with "Why does this other world just so happen to exist?", to say the other world is void, emptiness, the lack of. This force is chaotic in its own nature, but is incarnated physically as the universe. The body of God is limited, but the spirit of God is unpredictable.
I would say because there is a law giver. But one might assume that they just happen naturally, as the law giver cannot be seen. This would mean we accept nothing that we cannot see in some way, and also it begs the question, What does "natural" mean. Saying it is not supernatural is not an answer. If everything is "natural" as Dawkins thinks it is, even perhaps a Multiverse, then what does "natural" mean? It would seem that instead of saying that 'God did it', we can now say that, 'Natural did it'. How is this an improvement? So I say a Lawgiver with Intelligence which is commonly known as God.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
The laws do not exist, except on paper.
what we call laws are little more than well documented observations.
They may neither be complete, nor always true.
Though some are very hard to refute even in theory.
 

ametist

Active Member
What is inside is also outside, thats why :)

This isnt not a joke. Just like when you can not tell what it is that keeps a cell alive inside of you, or what it is that makes a thing living and some other thing unliving, When you say it that way,as in the meaning of the OP, it feels like as if there are no no-physical law zones as we know them today, that functions properly and help reality to function properly, places in black holes, for example. Do we really know how much they attribute to our physical reality any more than we know how our cells are alive by nature? Even in physical world there might be places where there are not any predictable physical laws. Yet they might be equally neccessary to keep this reality going. Still, rules of gravity is not in accordance and harmony with some other details of physics, perhaps this physical reality when solved properly is not as much physical as it seems or rules were not so complicated at all.


So whats inside is outside. Thats why.
 

Sabour

Well-Known Member
Why are things the way they are? Why does gravity exist? Why do gravitons act in the way they do? Why is time relative? Why does an object in motion stay in motion? Why can't something come from nothing? etc. etc.

Somewhere down the line, far beyond what we know, there has to be something completely random and chaotic, something that just happened to exist.

I would, personally, assume it's of another world, something that doesn't abide physical laws and therefore is not physical. It'd be something more perfect than the imperfect, limited physical world.

Which is why I believe in an all pervading force connecting the physical world from boundaries technically outside it. But this connection between the two is so strong that they literally become each other.

To me, it'd save a lot of time with "Why does this other world just so happen to exist?", to say the other world is void, emptiness, the lack of. This force is chaotic in its own nature, but is incarnated physically as the universe. The body of God is limited, but the spirit of God is unpredictable.



Hello.

My simple output on this is the following

In a simple sense, God created the world and created us.

He gave us minds to think and reflect, and chose for everything to have a law so that it would make sense to us and we can have a benefit of it.

Everything had a begging so that we can understand that God exists and God is that created everything.
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Staff member
Premium Member
fantôme profane;3759517 said:
Why is the sky blue instead of orange? But if it was orange we would be asking Why is the sky orange instead of blue. We could say the sky is blue because of the diffusion of light. And then you could ask why light diffuses that way, and I could make some reference to waves and quantum physics, and I could talk about neurology and perception. But you could follow that up with more "why" questions. And this might lead to new understanding and new discoveries, but there would always be more "why" questions. Expecting an ultimate answer is bound to be futile and frustrating.

I can understand how just saying "it is what it is" would be unsatisfying. But there actually is no reason there should be a reason that we find satisfying.

If things are the way they are just because they are that way, what is stopping the other ways it could also be?
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
If things are the way they are just because they are that way, what is stopping the other ways it could also be?

Nothing that we know of. Multiworld quantum theory is a strong possibility as far as I can tell. I don't know what prevents it, the other possibilities leave their influence.
 

yand

New Member
Maybe physics is what it is not because it is meant to be, but because it has to be, otherwise the world wouldn't be logical. A single change in a law of physics could probably mess up our current universe quite a bit.
 
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