Why do we apologize for God?

[Fallen]

What is it in human nature that makes us want to apologize for the terrible things god does? Every major religion and tenet try to use freewill or some other feeble attempt to place the blame for god's interference on our shoulders, not his. (I'm sorry if using the masculine pronoun is not strictly correct, but I was raised a Christian and old habits die hard)

If there is a god, logically, there can be only two possible conclusions about the nature of the thing: either god is weak and cannot answer our prayers, or god is indeed powerful but refuses to help us.

In either case, it is god who should apologize to us, not we to him.

 

[aymen amir]

What is it in human nature that makes us want to apologize for the terrible things god does? Every major religion and tenet try to use freewill or some other feeble attempt to place the blame for god's interference on our shoulders, not his. (I'm sorry if using the masculine pronoun is not strictly correct, but I was raised a Christian and old habits die hard)

If there is a god, logically, there can be only two possible conclusions about the nature of the thing: either god is weak and cannot answer our prayers, or god is indeed powerful but refuses to help us.

In either case, it is god who should apologize to us, not we to him.

From my point of view as a Muslim ALLAH Gave us freewill. so not every thing we do do is caused by Allah , but it is indeed in the limits of his will & about the 2 possible conclusion its not that ALLAH DOESN'T ANSWER OUR PRAYERS its that ALLAH is the ALL WISE SO ALLAH knows what to answer and what not to answer

 

[Buttons*]

What is it in human nature that makes us want to apologize for the terrible things god does? Every major religion and tenet try to use freewill or some other feeble attempt to place the blame for god's interference on our shoulders, not his. (I'm sorry if using the masculine pronoun is not strictly correct, but I was raised a Christian and old habits die hard)

My One does not "do" terrible things. Things just happen in nature, and humans interpret them as terrible. Not the fault of God.

If there is a god, logically, there can be only two possible conclusions about the nature of the thing: either god is weak and cannot answer our prayers, or god is indeed powerful but refuses to help us.

In either case, it is god who should apologize to us, not we to him.

Then you're only looking at ONE interpretation of God. If you're only concerned with the Abrahamic God, that's fine, but know that it's not the only way to view God.

 

[Mister Emu]

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[no-body]

E.G. Satan

The reason is just human nature. We want there to be cosmic justice, reason and a pattern to every single event.

 

[dust1n]

What is it in human nature that makes us want to apologize for the terrible things god does? Every major religion and tenet try to use freewill or some other feeble attempt to place the blame for god's interference on our shoulders, not his. (I'm sorry if using the masculine pronoun is not strictly correct, but I was raised a Christian and old habits die hard)

If there is a god, logically, there can be only two possible conclusions about the nature of the thing: either god is weak and cannot answer our prayers, or god is indeed powerful but refuses to help us.

In either case, it is god who should apologize to us, not we to him.

The suspension of perfect freewill from the equation indicates the suspension of ontological responsibility of the individual. If the individual is predetermined, his actions will be too. The solution? Self-awareness, a subscription to logic, and humanism will motivate the being to do 'good' despite the lack of responsibility.

 

[ManTimeForgot]

E.G. Satan

The reason is just human nature. We want there to be cosmic justice, reason and a pattern to every single event.

We do indeed strongly desire there to be pattern to every single event. Humans desire this so strongly that in times of great uncertainty people find it more comforting to "know" that the world will be horribly destroyed on schedule (doomsday cults) than face bare uncertainty of the future.

And as that relates to the topic: Why should "God" take responsibility for anything? Should the actions of the universe be put on hold every single nano-second and audited for content to see if some particle will cause something harmful? Perhaps "God" really does place dice? Should the rolls of the dice then be subject to audit by an accounting firm of celestial beings? (I hope everyone else finds that concept as amusing as I do...)


What if "God" out of respect for free will chooses not to intervene that all conscious actors be able to act without influence by "God?"

MTF

 

[footprints]

What is it in human nature that makes us want to apologize for the terrible things god does? Every major religion and tenet try to use freewill or some other feeble attempt to place the blame for god's interference on our shoulders, not his. (I'm sorry if using the masculine pronoun is not strictly correct, but I was raised a Christian and old habits die hard)

If there is a god, logically, there can be only two possible conclusions about the nature of the thing: either god is weak and cannot answer our prayers, or god is indeed powerful but refuses to help us.

In either case, it is god who should apologize to us, not we to him.

A mother bird pushes its young from the nest, is the mother cruel and heartless?

There are more than two possibilities of conclusion, perhaps though, only two you can accept.

 

[Commoner]

A mother bird pushes its young from the nest, is the mother cruel and heartless?

There are more than two possibilities of conclusion, perhaps though, only two you can accept.

Your god is as clueless and as powerless as a bird? Well then...of course he's not responsible. Neither is he a god.

 

[Joe Bloe]

The reason people apologise for god is that he is a cruel and heartless mongrel.

Read Leviticus chapter 26 from verse 14 onwards and listen to the God of Love as he threatens those who do not obey him...and let me know how it ends...I've never been able to get past verse 29 because it is just too gross.

Apologists need not point out that the people "deserved" those punishhments - they didn't. In verse 22 for example, god says he will send wild animals to kill their children. No justice there...

And apologists need not point out that the threats were made, but the actions were not carried out, so it's all good. Just reading the threats is enough to make me feel ill.

 

[dust1n]

The reason people apologise for god is that he is a cruel and heartless mongrel.

Read Leviticus chapter 26 from verse 14 onwards and listen to the God of Love as he threatens those who do not obey him...and let me know how it ends...I've never been able to get past verse 29 because it is just too gross.

Apologists need not point out that the people "deserved" those punishhments - they didn't. In verse 22 for example, god says he will send wild animals to kill their children. No justice there...

And apologists need not point out that the threats were made, but the actions were not carried out, so it's all good. Just reading the threats is enough to make me feel ill.

Death by wild animal is just absurd. :yes:

 

[Moonstone]

What is it in human nature that makes us want to apologize for the terrible things god does? Every major religion and tenet try to use freewill or some other feeble attempt to place the blame for god's interference on our shoulders, not his. (I'm sorry if using the masculine pronoun is not strictly correct, but I was raised a Christian and old habits die hard)

If there is a god, logically, there can be only two possible conclusions about the nature of the thing: either god is weak and cannot answer our prayers, or god is indeed powerful but refuses to help us.

In either case, it is god who should apologize to us, not we to him.

Good point, but I can't help thinking you're talking about the abrahamic God, because not all interpretations of God are like this.
-Dot

 

[Beaudreaux]

From my point of view as a Muslim ALLAH Gave us freewill. so not every thing we do do is caused by Allah

If your will is free then NOTHING you do can be caused by Allah.

 

[footprints]

If your will is free then NOTHING you do can be caused by Allah.

On what logic do you base this premise if it were Allah who created free will?

 

[Christopher1]

The reason people apologise for god is that he is a cruel and heartless mongrel.

Read Leviticus chapter 26 from verse 14 onwards and listen to the God of Love as he threatens those who do not obey him...and let me know how it ends...I've never been able to get past verse 29 because it is just too gross.

Apologists need not point out that the people "deserved" those punishhments - they didn't. In verse 22 for example, god says he will send wild animals to kill their children. No justice there...

And apologists need not point out that the threats were made, but the actions were not carried out, so it's all good. Just reading the threats is enough to make me feel ill.

Actually my good friend, this god of love goes on to Personally Kill people. Here are but a few examples.

Example 1

Fatalitie Number - 20 Million (Estimated)
Crime - Being Evil
Method Used - Drowning
Verse / Evidence - Genesis Chapter 6 to Chapter 8

Example 2

Fatalitie Number - 250 Israelites
Crime - Followers of Korah
Method Used - Burnt to death by fire from god
Verse/Evidence - Num Chapter 16 Verse 35

Example 3

Fatalitie Number - 24000 Israelites
Crime - Sexual immorality with Moabite women and worshiping Baal
Method Used - Plague
Verse/Evidence - Numbers 25 Verse 9.

Conclusion

It is now I ask all of you, Is this truly from a god who Loves everyone? Or even his own followers, despite the fact his "choosen ones" would worship a stone if Moses so much as Popped out for a sandwich he even killed those he choose. This situation also shows god choose the wrong people, so ghow can he know the future?

And for those of you who decide to tell me that this is old testament god and not the new testament god, THEY ARE THE SAME! and answer me this:-

Why did god's very personality if you can call it that change so rapidly?

P.S :- Now christians tell me how is this a loving god?

I am not sure I can worship a lord like this, seems like a threat to all of us still today. But anyway I could go on for hours and now I am beggining to rant so Be well all.

Yours Truly

Christopher

 

[Charity]

Why should we apologize for God? Unless it's for stepping on your toes.....