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Why do we exist this way?

McBell

Unbound
I grew up living with a man that was a surgeon, a pilot, and a psychologist at the head of a certain division in a mental health clinic. He raised thirteen children, fifteen if you count me and my sister. In a few years he will most likely be dead. I'll always remember him, but after a few generations everything that he accomplished and everything that he made and did in this world will be completely obliterated.
People want me to enjoy life for the moment just because they say so. That's the bottom line. Instead of looking at life as a whole, I should look at it through a narrow point of view.
It's like saying that I should look at my feet and not ask questions while I walk off edge of a cliff. After all, I wont be afraid if I don't see where I'm going.
Well, I have news for you all. Whether you choose to see where your life is heading or not is completely arbitrary, life is intrinsically meaningless. There is no value in the work we do or in any other action we make because we all cease to exist. (Caveat: except the value we arbitrarily attribute to these activities.)

If there is no solution, then I can live with that, I don't have much of a choice, but I'm not going to live my life with blinders on just to make myself happy either.
Now you act as though we cannot understand your position, the one you refuse to lay out logically, because we disagree.

First sign of faulty thinking, if you ask me.
 

TheGrind

New Member
It's perfectly logical. It's called nihilism. It's the same old crap in a different wrapper.
When you look at life from outside the system you see a series of events that lead to nothing.

If you look at it from the inside you might not see that life is meaningless, but that doesn't change anything.

I've offered examples, evidences, real life situations, and even a parable to explain it. How about a mathematical formula?

a +-b +- c... - D = L

Where D is the reduction of the value of life through death, and L is value of life and all the rest are events and activities in life that arbitrarily increase or decrease the value of life.
We know that there's nothing when a person dies. So the equation is as follows:

a +- b +- c... -D = 0

It's crude, but as you can see the events of a persons life can never produce anything. There may be value in the individual events, but it never can amount to anything.

Ya, you can say that life is enjoyable or less enjoyable while it's going on, but that's not the point, the point is that the product of life is *nothing*. It's value-less from an outside perspective when all is said and done.
Why should this effect a persons life? Well if they want to act rationally they'd see that there's no reason to act morally or immorally and no reason to succeed or fail because *NO ONE* is going to benefit from anything they do because, as I've said a few times, everyone dies in the end anyway. In other words, there are no obligations or imperatives, and no way to even rationally debate about morality.
 
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