Why do you do this?

[LuisDantas]

FOR VICTORY! Or something.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Not really, not always, IMHO, or just not cutting off the relationship, etc. It could be for many things, understanding the view point of others, gathering new information as well.

 

[Asha]

Okay, Asha. I shall tell you (and everybody else) what happened okay?

We were having a little debate over in the Hindu DIR about the 'Nature of Mind'.

I read the thread before replying, and noticed that everybody was sticking to the 'Hindu hard line' and saying that samskaras were a Hindu 'right of passage' (which they are, but not only that).

This was only one interpretation of the word 'samskara', so I decided to keep in with the thread premise about 'The Nature of Mind' and started to incorporate the notion of samskaras into an essay based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras and the benefits of meditation when it comes to actually realising these things for oneself.

I received a few frubals and two 'glowing replies' for it (from fellow Advaitins), then a Vaishnava Buddhist came along and started to poke holes in my essay with her Buddhist philosophy and teachings, which had nothing whatsoever to do with what I was talking about anyway and I found myself getting very annoyed and agitated....is this human?

I indulged in that anger/agitation for a few hours, then I dropped it (because it was a samskara itself), but after dropping it, I felt guilty for being upset in the first place....how/why did it ever get to this point? I am not like this. I am a nice person, not a b*tch.

I was 'intellectually insulted', so I posted a reply in another thread last night to explain the whole thing...and why I decided to make post in this thread...

There's a 'method to my madness'....problem is, that only I can fully understand/appreciate it when it's sorta 'lost' on everybody else.

Then, when I mentally/intellectually try and 'set the record straight', I just get totally ignored.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3649711-post87.html

Original thread:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/hinduism-dir/158973-how-do-hindus-view-mind.html

That is why I have been acting strange and why I posted here.

Please explain this situation to me. Thank you.

Dear NKN

Can I explain this to you ?

yes and no ,It depends if you want to listen ?

First thing, slow down you are wanting to explain so much I cant keep up with you.
You are refering to different threads, different conversations and all sorts, then you think people are egnoring you.

Maybe people just dont allways have the time to follow all these conversations or dont follow every post. I cant follow everything here, and some people seem to be participating in more than one thread at the same time, I am not surprised people get crossed wires.

But it looks as if you are taking these conversations too much to heart, you say you felt ''Interlectualy insulted'' wow this is not a good state of mind.

Now I can only take this on my self, if I am having a conversationand somebody corrects me, I have two options 1; Humility, or 2; take offence, in the case of Humulity the conversation continues and I might learn something. Second scenario out comes the ego, conversation ends in tears, people feel insulted.

For me personaly, the day I stoped taking every argument so personanly and the day I allowed other people their own opinions was the day I started to enjoy life.

 

[NobodyYouKnow]

tl;dr - my mind is more complex than it really needs to be.

There is only one person on RF who can get in the same 'space' I am in, reach in and drag me out of there.

To get me to see a viewpoint from a different perspective, they need to meet me within mine first.

There's only one (so far).....but when you can find such a person, they are truly life-changing and inspirational.

I can let people have their own opinions, up until the point where they are trying to change mine, up until the point they start trolling me just to be recalcitrant....but yes, I am very impatient and saying 'learn/be more patient' doesn't help. Even my meditation isn't helping with my patience issue....this requires something more than that.

You still aren't seeing the 'bigger picture' though...what I was discussing, what the issue was, why I have these problems etc. It goes much deeper than just a superficial issue. Even if you don't have the time to read/study all my posts, at least just understand that one.

My real life experience is directly linked to my spiritual experience and vice-versa.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I will let you cool down before I chip in, NYK.

 

[NobodyYouKnow]

I will let you cool down before I chip in, NYK.

Dear Aup, when I say I 'drop things', I drop them. Whatever follows is just an afterthought pertaining to the discussion of the current subject/topic.

I 'know myself' better to know that hanging on to certain emotions is a total waste of time, not to mention the fact that I actually practice what I preach, so it's quite hypocritical of me to say/do otherwise.

The fact that it took 4 hours for me to realise it just needs a 'bit of work' okay?

To fully reconcile this, I had to gain an esoteric perspective and wound up studying certain Tantric texts again about all of it.

There are just some core aspects of my Saiva faith (esotericism) I can always 'fall back on' when all else fails - it's like a 'spiritual Plan B'.

So, don't worry about me, Aup. I have been as 'cool as a cucumber' for the past few days. I just need 'severing from the vine' but I am not fully 'ripe' yet...or something along those lines.

*goes off chanting Mahamritunjaya Mantra 108 times.

 

[NobodyYouKnow]

Just before I do,

Let's take it there, then Aup. I shall serve you a ball and I shall be interested to see in which direction you 'return serve'.

I am partaking in this exercise purely from an intellectual, non-biased viewpoint and every post I have made since last night reflects this (it's interesting to watch others 'emotional takes' on this attitude), but whatever:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3648534-post17.html

I was raised in the school of thought believing that Soma = Ida Nadi = Tha = Moon = Yin and it forms one 'half' of my whole theory (Halahala being the other).

Now, to come along and say that, after I was talking about the nature of Soma in another thread, being the 'nectar' that is produced when Veerya/Ojas is transmuted into Tejas, represented by the moon in the locks of Lord Chandrashekhara's hair (Bindu Chakra)...then you come out in another thread, an hour or so later and say that? What kind of thing is that?

No, it's not a new 'thing' I am noticing just now and no, I am not being 'paranoid' or 'reading too much into it' and I also know it's 'not all about me'...but seriously, what is that?

It's a 'conspiracy theory' that should belong on the X-Files, even though I already know the 'Truth is Out There'.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Oh, that. MaitraVarunih and Jaskaran were taking a snipe at Tilak's theory which I subscribe to. Pakistani pencils and a home on moon. So, I chimed in equally in fun, and meant that any theory can get followers in India (and elsewhere too), even if you make Vedic Soma into Moon. It is about gullibility of people.

 

[no-body]

who is the I that is doing this?

 

[NobodyYouKnow]

Oh, that. MaitraVarunih and Jaskaran were taking a snipe at Tilak's theory which I subscribe to. Pakistani pencils and a home on moon. So, I chimed in equally in fun, and meant that any theory can get followers in India (and elsewhere too), even if you make Vedic Soma into Moon. It is about gullibility of people.

So, it's a case of me always being 'in the wrong place at the wrong time' prior to anybody else even being there?....how intriguing.

This happens to me IRL as well, so it should come as no surprise that I am totally 'out of synch' with the rest of the world, often having to wait until everybody else 'catches up'.

At first, I thought it was 'everybody else' who had lousy timing....now, I realise I am the one who can never seem to be able to time things right....from wanting to use the lavatory and noticing there's always somebody in there whenever 'nature calls'...leaving me always wondering why she cannot 'call' at some other time....to typing essays here on RF.

I am always 'pre-empting' the situations and circumstances of others, then get confused when they reply to somebody else about something I just said, but it's a 'totally different thing' and it's only pure coincidence it just happened that way.

The problem is, that 'coincidence' happens to me more often than not, so if it happens more often than not, is it still a 'coincidence'?

This is why I always 'take things so personally' because there's no other way for me to take such things, other than being the butt-end of some huge, cosmic joke that God is playing on me...and I am not impressed.

There's no other way to explain it.

who is the I that is doing this?

The thing 'I' am still trying to completely disown, due to circumstances like those just described above.

Whatever/whoever is 'in charge' of the universe is leaving me with little option but to drop my ego anyway - it just cannot even begin to compete with anybody else's so, why even bother to have one?

Everything in my life just goes from the ludicrous to the absolute absurd.

 

[YmirGF]

But why do you do it, Luis?

I can't speak for Lewis but I tend to think of it ultimately as being an act of mercy. Sometimes a splash of cold water can snap the deluded out of their delusions, though admittedly, for the most part, they just get wet.

 

[LuisDantas]

I can't speak for Lewis but I tend to think of it ultimately as being an act of mercy. Sometimes a splash of cold water can snap the deluded out of their delusions, though admittedly, for the most part, they just get wet.

You pretty much spoke my mind, Ymir.

All too often people mistake keeping quiet with offering respect. The truth of the matter is that silence can be very judgemental indeed.

 

[Aupmanyav]

who is the I that is doing this?

Well, right. There is nobody out there other than Brahman and nothing is ever being done. Maya, illusions.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Ludicrous and absurd. Is not that delightful?

 

[NobodyYouKnow]

Ludicrous and absurd. Is not that delightful?

Nope. It is annoying.

If anybody wants/needs proof of a 'God' (especially one with a warped sense of humour) all they need to do is hang around me for a few days - they will see.