Why do you need a god(s), God?

[Mock Turtle]

Imagine a world without gods.

Imagine a world with warring gods.

 

[syo]

pieces of rock formed by natural processes

What's natural? What's nature?

 

[syo]

Imagine a world with warring gods.

What about them?

 

[Mock Turtle]

What about them?

Well the 'goodly' world that many try to prove as being an obvious facet of any god might not be the only option. Why not consider all possibilities, along with no gods?

 

[syo]

Well the 'goodly' world that many try to prove as being an obvious facet of any god might not be the only option. Why not consider all possibilities, along with no gods?

Possibilities eh? Theories about gods. I am not into that. I don't know.

 

[ecco]

I need God for the same reason an imperfect computer program needs a skilled Programmer --- Minimize the impact of it's imperfections and achieve a high quality of running.

Think about it this way, I have a dictionary opened right now in a new tab because my English is extremely weak. I am basically trying to find ways to write English sentences properly using dictionary. Without English dictionary, I won't be able to write, understand, read and such English properly due to my innate weaknesses and deficiencies. Same with God. I need God because I have many short-comings, weaknesses, deficiencies, human frailties among other imperfection and fatal flaws. I am basically trying to find ways to minimize, overcome and/or make up for all these inherent human frailties, short-comings, weaknesses, deficiencies through God [as God is devoid of all such and other imperfections]. Without God and His Perfection and His Power, i won't be able to have, be and/or do things without making mistakes due to my innate weaknesses and deficiencies.

I hope I made this post easy to understand because my English shucks. If someone wants question me and/or elaborate more, I'd be happy to do so

Your English is just fine.

You can learn from a dictionary by reading those snippets that you need more information about. Instead of a paper dictionary, you can use Google voice commands on your computer or cell phone and ask questions. Or you can ask and get answers from devices like Siri.

How does God tell you how to correct your weaknesses?

 

[ecco]

It's an appeal to something bigger than themselves. Based on my experience and what I see, a god actually makes you feel like you're more in control of events and circumstances rather than accepting that these things essentially control us.

If that is true, why do people say things like "God needed another angel in heaven" or "God willing"?

 

[ecco]

If anyone holds their breath long enough (and don't do it as it can cause you harn), you will See God and Understand perhaps what God is. Then maybe you will be afraid and grovel like I do.

If you hold your breath long enough you may begin hallucinating. Some people mistakenly think the hallucinations are God.

If you sit in a sweat lodge and get overheated you may begin hallucinating. Some people mistakenly think the hallucinations are God.

If you ingest certain drugs you may begin hallucinating. Some people mistakenly think the hallucinations are God.

I've had hallucinations. I'm rational enough to know there is no need to mistake them for anything else, and certainly no reason to grovel in fear.

 

[ecco]

I don’t need a God to survive or have a meaningful life, however I feel like I’m genetically predisposed to believe in God, so I believe in spite of not having a need to for survival/meaningful purposes.

Instead of "genetically predisposed" it's more likely that your beliefs stem from childhood indoctrination.

 

[ecco]

Imagine a world with warring gods.

The Norse, the Greeks, and the Romans (among others) had warring gods.

 

[ManSinha]

I have said this before
Similar to what @Rival and @Vinayaka said
My concept of "God" simply is
Non interfering non judgmental not anything
I like the idea, personally, of turning to him when I have gratitude to express (in addition to the person / entity it needs to be expressed) - for example - when we have a tough project or a difficult audit - I thank my team and maybe buy them $5 Starbucks cards - but in my mind I also send thanks for aligning the stars and ensuring the team had the wherewithal to work on what was needed without being sidetracked for personal reasons / serious illness / injuries in that timeframe.
When things are tough for me personally and professionally - I turn to this entity / being for succor and strength to ride out the hard times and peace of mind to accept what is going on - and for me - it has never failed to come through

Those are my reasons

 

[danieldemol]

Instead of "genetically predisposed" it's more likely that your beliefs stem from childhood indoctrination.

The specifics of my belief are most probably inherited cultural stories, however the God gene is a thing.

God gene - Wikipedia

 

[Hellbound Serpiente]

How does God tell you how to correct your weaknesses?

Well, I don't think God ever told me how to correct my weaknesses [unless, of course, you take Holy Scriptures like the Bible or The Holy Qur'an among other as His Words, as i have learned a lot and benefited a lot from these and other religious scriptures]. What I meant was, I need and seek God's Assistance in my everyday tasks [pretty much an imperfect computer program needs an assistance and editing of a skilled programmer to run efficiently without bugs]. I need God for my own safety, survival, peace and most of all --- Redemption [although this is extremely personal].

Although I have no objective proof and all I have are tentative personal experiences which are extremely likely to be erroneous and corruptible, but I personally feel like there is a higher power. I have experienced and witnessed supernatural intervention in my own very life where impossible became possible. As someone who grew up in extremely dangerous environment and survived wars, I believe there was someone watching over me. Someone saved me from inescapable situations, and saved my life in ways nigh-impossible naturally. Right now, at this period of my life, I am willing to bet on the theory that there is God, and His Power are far, FAR greater than i can imagine.

I need aiding and abetting of this same higher power to stay safe from dangers, get some specific work done [as Mansinha already explained], and most of all --- to achieve my purpose [whether it's about doing the best for my family, humanity in general or other spiritual and personal goals I have (like my personal goal to achieve redemption I've spoke about above)]

 

[Hellbound Serpiente]

And I want to mention something --- If God doesn't exists, I'll die on the inside all over again as I've died on the inside countless dog's death since I can remember. My reasons for knowing Him and achieving His Pleasure are extremely, EXTREMELY serious and important. I have been heavily traumatized by some personal traumas and I really, REALLY need God to save me from my nightmares. My search for God is like that of a forlorn little child's desperate search for his mother. That's how intense my motivations are.

God Willing, I will keep praying and waiting for His Mercy upon me, and any of these things will happen:

1. God Exists and He Cares about me. In this case, [i really, REALLY hope] He Grants me what i seek and desire by His Mercy and [God Willing] i will achieve His Pleasure through my sincere devotion to Him

2. God Either doesn't exist or is just unconcerned about me and my problems and such. In both of this case --- I'll keep suffering like I always did and nothing new will happen. That's fine too, I am used to it. Suffering is nothing new to me.

 

[rational experiences]

Theme of science status.

God spruikers originally as the a theist...about A alpha meaning self (human male) themes and O one planet body history. Thought upon themes, that today he says are strings....when thoughts are single, and strung together as a human thinker.

I need God says the scientist.....let me preach it he says to everyone.

God he said is the philosophy of the stone. I agree scientist, we need God O the stone planet to be stone and to only exist as stone.

Theist....I think about the Sun and compare the history, presence and body Sun and Sun information and use the reference to nothing also....in the same strung together thoughts.

So first I lie...for if nothing existed first, then no Sun exists either...so I do not coerce tell everyone, hey I am lying. Not what science does. it says I am talking cosmological laws...yet the only Laws he lives and survives within are LAWS OF GOD O the planet, in actuality, and in reality.

His psyche however does not discuss reality he says it is symbolic..and symbolic of his presence, male and human thinking and telling stories claiming research and then experiments. Not anything else. For experiments define I do not know am attacking to proclaim knowledge of what is less than God...for I attack God history.

So then everyone would ask that scientist....you told us as a theist that God is Holy, do not change it...but then claim less than God that you then claim created God, yet claim it is less than God.....how come?

Therefore when science tells me as my equal just a human being natural self first brother.....that he knows that God the planet O and its natural history, evolution is important....I agree, yes scientist it is. How come you do not honour what you preach?

Natural God stated history in science cosmological Laws. The Sun he said burst, rejected stone for it can remove stone into holes. Holes mean the gas mass light history billions or so maybe years of gases burning, instantly gone.

Says I studied the cosmos and said, the Sun taught me how to attack/convert the body of God the stone planet and remove mass into holes. I form mounded holes...by mining...I then take what I mine and remove it back to nearly nothing and then Earth as God opens up into very deep holes. And I lie about what I cause claiming I as yet do not know God, but will one day create stone, remove it and put it back.

And so everyone should ask the a theist what are you talking about?

I have to remove it to get what is not God, Sun radiation string history, for I want to resource that body, infinite energy he says...and God is in the way.

True reasoning about a theist, who says God the body is important....but not how or by what reason a spiritual self imposes, yes God is important.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

If you hold your breath long enough you may begin hallucinating. Some people mistakenly think the hallucinations are God.

If you sit in a sweat lodge and get overheated you may begin hallucinating. Some people mistakenly think the hallucinations are God.

If you ingest certain drugs you may begin hallucinating. Some people mistakenly think the hallucinations are God.

I've had hallucinations. I'm rational enough to know there is no need to mistake them for anything else, and certainly no reason to grovel in fear.

Well, I actually meant that by holding the breath long enough, you'll either find you are desperately in need of air or die, in both cases you'll only perhaps metaphorically "see" that God is Life or Reality or Death and Nothing, and both are one and the same. That realization may occur due ti the brain damage sustained from oxygen deprivation though.

 

[Mock Turtle]

The Norse, the Greeks, and the Romans (among others) had warring gods.

Well they imagined them. I was thinking more about any reality.

 

[Twilight Hue]

If that is true, why do people say things like "God needed another angel in heaven" or "God willing"?

Because they know they have to say it that way because having a concept of God simply isn't going to really change actual reality so the theology has to accommodate that.

In order to save face, its simply projected onto the avatar of god which still preserves the illusion of having control.


Then you end up with sayings like, "God works in mysterious ways", "God willing", like you mentioned.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Because they know they have to say it that way because having a concept of God simply isn't going to really change actual reality so the theology has to accommodate that.

In order to save face, its simply projected onto the avatar of god which still preserves the illusion of having control.


Then you end up with sayings like, "God works in mysterious ways", "God willing", like you mentioned.

Doesn't that just make God synonymous with "Nature, The Universe, Chance, Luck, Chaos, How Things Are, Necessity, Serendipity, What Occurred, The Reality, What Happened, The News, The Situation At Hand, Occurrence" Ocassion, Instance, Event, Life" and whatever else? Or does the term "God" exclusively refer to a cartoonish humanoid in the clouds?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Doesn't that just make God synonymous with "Nature, The Universe, Chance, Luck, Chaos, How Things Are, Necessity, Serendipity, What Occurred, The Reality, What Happened, The News, The Situation At Hand, Occurrence" Ocassion, Instance, Event, Life" and whatever else? Or does the term "God" exclusively refer to a cartoonish humanoid in the clouds?

You're actually right.

For all practical intents and purposes I do consider the universe as my 'God' with the word universe being just a placeholder for something that cannot be described or directly pointed to in a specific way. It's a bit like the Hindu concept of Brahman, but not quite since I regard 'God' as a continuum where form and identity changes continually and indeterminately to the point where the source is no longer applicable and cannot be traced back past a certain threshold because the source itself just isn't there anymore.

I just don't see the sum of all parts as being the responsibility of a centralized divine being, or force, or energy, or whatever it is that comes across one's imagination that would create the ultimate Avatar that brings about form and existence that is permanent and unchangeable.