Why do you want to believe there is nothing wrong with Christian scripture?

[savagewind]

hey Savage,
It's like wishes on a memory, hoping for another tommorrow, kissing today away, and hoping that Jesus is real.
~
'mud

I don't hope Jesus is real. I think I shouldn't hope his soul on my worst enemy*. I assume he is real. Why not? If he is real he needs help. What if I don't help and he is real? I think I would hate myself.

*Though I do not know if I have any enemies at all. I think it is my job to get through this life without making an enemy.

 

[AK4]

I've got Strong's and multiple scriptures.

The question was why should I believe humans claiming to speak for God? Not which humans do you personally find credible.

I don't find anybody claiming to speak for God especially credible. They always have a personal agenda.

Tom

So you are also saying you don't believe Jesus spoke for His God, His Father. Think about it.

So what will you believe? Since the scriptures say "all scripture (not bible translations) is given by inspiration of God", if you don't believe this scripture then what will make you believe any other scripture that was penned by the prophets and apostles.

 

[AK4]

Jesus came to do The Father's will not his own will, thus no personal agenda.

Personal defined: of, affecting, or belonging to a particular person rather than to anyone else.

:yes:

 

[AK4]

hey Savage,
It's like wishes on a memory, hoping for another tommorrow, kissing today away, and hoping that Jesus is real.
~
'mud

Paul addressed naysayers like you...

1 Cor 15:32 If I fought wild beasts in Ephesus with no more than human hopes, what have I gained? If the dead are not raised, "Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die."

In fact read the whole chapter and you may see how he debunks the Christian teaching of today where these churches teach that people die and go to heaven or hell or purgatory.

Hint: Whats the point of a resurrection is if that person is already alive?

 

[Draupadi]

Everyone knows it is not possible to change a god. It is gods that change people

I disagree. YHWH and the Father seem like two different beings.

 

[savagewind]

I disagree. YHWH and the Father seem like two different beings.

Yes they do. I can't imagine they did not exist at the same time. YHVH might mean aspect. The Father is A Person.

I am a person but even I know only some aspects of me. Other people know very little of me. If I will walk like The Father wills me my aspects will change but the person I am won't change. People who walk the broad way (opposed to the cramped way) are constantly able to change the person they are.

The person I am with Jesus is the same now as it will be at the end.

 

[Draupadi]

Wow this one aspect of the Father has more books dedicated to Him than the Owner of the aspect Himself. By the way when Jesus Christ will punish the sinners in the future, as you believe, you will see His one other aspect . Just saying.

 

[savagewind]

Wow this one aspect of the Father has more books dedicated to Him than the Owner of the aspect Himself. By the way when Jesus Christ will punish the sinners in the future, as you believe, you will see His one other aspect . Just saying.

I do not believe Christ will punish sinners. Christ provides and teaches the way to avoid sowing hurtful things. Ignoring it is what causes tribulation. The person ignoring him is causing his or her own infliction. Everyone will reap. Jesus Christ is reaping too.

 

[Draupadi]

Then the sayings of the Christians that Christ will throw the sinners into Hell is wrong? Sorry my knowledge about this matter is extremely limited. If the sinners won't be punished will a non-believer in Christ go to heaven?

 

[savagewind]

Then the sayings of the Christians that Christ will throw the sinners into Hell is wrong?

Yes

Sorry my knowledge about this matter is extremely limited.

Are you sorry? Learn! Or am I sorry? I am not sorry for you.

If the sinners won't be punished will a non-believer in Christ go to heaven?

I don't know. I believe Jesus Christ is Earth's savior but I do not expect to go to heaven because I do not know what "go to heaven" means. I expect to share with the son of God (Yeshua or Yehoshua called Jesus Christ) his reward; if I stay by him which I plan on doing.

 

[AK4]

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Originally Posted by Draupadi View Post
Then the sayings of the Christians that Christ will throw the sinners into Hell is wrong?

Yes

Savagewind is totally correct here. What will Jesus do? Glad you asked

Isa 26:9 With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the will learn righteousness.

These people get judged and learn righteousness. Pretty silly for them to learn righteousness and then be thrown in some fabled hell hole. Besides God is love and He wouldn't torture any of His offspring for an eternity. That's just insane and people who teach such blasphemy have a harsh judgment to go through...but they too will be saved.

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Sorry my knowledge about this matter is extremely limited.

Its okay because 99% of Christians [yes Christians] don't even know that God will judge sinners into righteousness and not perform some obscene over-the-top terrorist act like what they preach and teach.

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If the sinners won't be punished will a non-believer in Christ go to heaven?

I don't know. I believe Jesus Christ is Earth's savior but I do not expect to go to heaven because I do not know what "go to heaven" means. I expect to share with the son of God (Yeshua or Yehoshua called Jesus Christ) his reward; if I stay by him which I plan on doing.

"No one goes to heaven except He who came down from heaven". Try this: Where does God dwell? In heaven right. Where is His temple? In heaven right. What does the scriptures say is the Temple of God? "Ye are the temple of God" it says like 7 times.

We are the heavens [throughout scripture heaven is almost always plural i.e kingdom of the heavens] that God dwells so you are on to the right path to question the whole "go to heaven". Also Christ says He will rule on earth and His people will be with Him...on earth ruling/judging/saving the world with Him. Check out Obad 1:21

 

[`mud]

Big well you have there.......
...................and I bet it's deep also
~
'mud

 

[kjw47]

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Savagewind is totally correct here. What will Jesus do? Glad you asked

Isa 26:9 With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the will learn righteousness.

These people get judged and learn righteousness. Pretty silly for them to learn righteousness and then be thrown in some fabled hell hole. Besides God is love and He wouldn't torture any of His offspring for an eternity. That's just insane and people who teach such blasphemy have a harsh judgment to go through...but they too will be saved.


Its okay because 99% of Christians [yes Christians] don't even know that God will judge sinners into righteousness and not perform some obscene over-the-top terrorist act like what they preach and teach.




"No one goes to heaven except He who came down from heaven". Try this: Where does God dwell? In heaven right. Where is His temple? In heaven right. What does the scriptures say is the Temple of God? "Ye are the temple of God" it says like 7 times.

We are the heavens [throughout scripture heaven is almost always plural i.e kingdom of the heavens] that God dwells so you are on to the right path to question the whole "go to heaven". Also Christ says He will rule on earth and His people will be with Him...on earth ruling/judging/saving the world with Him. Check out Obad 1:21

Yes I agree that Gods kingdom will be ruling not only the heavens, but the Earth,Moon and all of creation. And his word teaches--144,000( numbered) go to heaven( first resurrection) to rule as kings and priests alongside of Jesus during his millennial reign--ruling and judging the earth( 2nd resurrection)

The atmosphere was referred to as heaven( Elijah-chariot)---space is referred to as heavens as well as the place where God dwells.

 

[savagewind]

Another idea I shall share. It is believed Jesus said "Heaven and Earth will pass away". He might have meant Heaven and Earth is subject to passing away but my words cannot pass away. It means to me his words are able to keep them both.

 

[savagewind]

...from passing away.

Isn't it amazing that IF Jesus said Earth is subject to ending BUT his words won't end and people cling to Jesus saying the Earth will pass away...so be it! then those words are the only words of Jesus worth hearing and they are wrong if they are wrong.

It's like hearing Jesus wants the world to pass away even though he came to save it. For Abraham. Right?

In English I think it's called a nightmare.

Jesus own (real) words come to mind. "Work the works of God while you still have the light".

 

[savagewind]

But then everyone would feel bad. Well? Isn't that what it says?

Revelation 1:7 "Look, he is coming with the clouds," and "every eye will see him, even those who pierced him"; and all peoples on earth "will mourn because of him." So shall it be! Amen.

Strong's Greek: 3956. ??? (pas) -- all, every

 

[savagewind]

Tell me again that I can't believe one scripture because I don't believe another.

Dog I might be but chicken you are.

 

[Draupadi]

Yes
Are you sorry? Learn! Or am I sorry? I am not sorry for you.

I wanted to learn so I asked you. And I get a scolding, just because I question what most people believe? And right don't be sorry for me. I don't need it. But I will appreciate it if you stop scolding me. If you can't then don't reply to my posts. Thank you.

 

[savagewind]

I wanted to learn so I asked you. And I get a scolding, just because I question what most people believe? And right don't be sorry for me. I don't need it. But I will appreciate it if you stop scolding me. If you can't then don't reply to my posts. Thank you.

Please show me where the scolding is so I can't do it again. Or just say your use of the word "sorry" was a euphemism.

If I am "sorry" I do not know something then NOT to be "sorry" (an unpleasant feeling) I would learn. It is what I meant. I am old enough to have thickened up my skin.

My saying "I am not sorry for you" is me saying I think you are fine and should not be sorry.

 

[savagewind]

I wasn't calling you chicken. I was saying chicken to the people who love the bible just like it is.