Why Does An Archangel From Heaven Have to Debate For Years They Exist?

[Howard Is]

I hear you. I know there is a lot of science backing this up.

I guess I balk at the notion that spiritual people wouldn't have developed spiritual paths without the chemical assistance. Maybe you're right. You're probably right... but I'm just not there yet.

Im not saying that a person requires psychedelics to follow a spiritual path.
I am saying that those substances were the prime movers in exploring the mind, and bringing a lot of unconscious material to the surface.

I spent years in my teenage experimenting with hypnosis, chanting, sky gazing etc, and was very familiar with naturally generated altered states before I ever took any drugs.

But I studied those things because there is a history which preceded me, and books and art to inspire my effort. That aspect of our culture has its roots in sacred plants.

 

[dybmh]

hypnosis, chanting, sky gazing etc

Exactly.... I kinda prefer to imagine that at least one or two or three of the worlds religions started maybe because of one of these ^^ .

Seems possible, right?

I am saying that those substances were the prime movers in exploring the mind, and bringing a lot of unconscious material to the surface.

Maybe the prime mover is "wonder" and "curiosity".

But drugs would have helped... don't get me wrong

 

[Howard Is]

Exactly.... I kinda prefer to imagine that at least one or two or three of the worlds religions started maybe because of one of these ^^ ways.

Seems possible, right?

Yeah, sure. I’m not a fundamentalist about this.
Damn rule 6, I’m gagged.
The Vatican invented Rule 6 to keep a lot of this secret !

There is an answer I want to give you but it could be considered incitement.

Anyway....I’ll try, but I’ll post a response later after considering how to say what I mean without stressing the Mods.

Later...

 

[wizanda]

I suspect I will probably die before such proof arrives - my loss no doubt.

The proof is in all the world's religious texts, because people don't study, people will most likely wait for the Great Tribulation to happen first, before questioning.

In my opinion.

 

[dybmh]

Yeah, sure. I’m not a fundamentalist about this.
Damn rule 6, I’m gagged.
The Vatican invented Rule 6 to keep a lot of this secret !

There is an answer I want to give you but it could be considered incitement.

Anyway....I’ll try, but I’ll post a response later after considering how to say what I mean without stressing the Mods.

Later...

pm sent.

 

[wizanda]

alcoholic.

Alcohol is an intoxicant, and 100% alcohol kills all life...There is a big difference between herbal medicine, and drugs which cause some form of poisoning to make an affect.

Cannabis is a part of a cannabinoid system, it is the same system the plant uses in our neurochemistry.

Maybe it's at least possible that it wasn't chemically induced from ingesting a substance?

I kinda prefer to imagine that at least one or two or three of the worlds religions started maybe because of one of these ^^ .

Seems possible, right?

Many psychedelics affect a small region of the brain the precursor to the pineal gland, which is basically our antenna to the Divine.

Once this opens in many they then can connect, some people are born knowing Yoga (connection); I believe I could teach it to a shamanic level, yet I do not perceive everyone is a natural clairvoyant, the psychedelics activate this part of the brain.

Cannabis regulates the neural firing, and is needed to stop overloading in people with epilepsy; yet as a food in our diet it is an essential food, like any vitamin.

Without the omega oils that cannabis contains, the brain will over-fire, not think laterally, overly compartmentalize, not be calm to meditate properly, not see the state of inner reflection from rushing ahead, etc.

There have been scientific studies on omega 3 alone, cannabis contains a full range of omega oils, and the full range of amino acids needed for human life.

Thus we need to stop seeing food/herbs as being drugs, and recognize pharmaceutical comes from the word for witchcraft (G5331 pharmakeia).

Revelation 22:2 In the middle of its street. On this side of the river and on that was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruits, yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Cannabis can produce oil, rope, cloths, paper, fuel, food, healing, plastics, housing, etc.

It's roots thrive in 23 degrees earth, which means it can grow in nearly desert, and is a tree within a year; which means it literally can be used for saving this planet, and is the root of of the world's major religions, given to us by Sky Beings.

Like take into account currently there is tons of modern research into entheogens, and no real study of its interconnection with metaphysics - do we see the inevitable problem?

In my opinion.

 

[dybmh]

Alcohol is an intoxicant, and 100% alcohol kills all life...There is a big difference between herbal medicine, and drugs which cause some form of poisoning to make an affect.

Cannabis is a part of a cannabinoid system, it is the same system the plant uses in our neurochemistry.


Many psychedelics affect a small region of the brain the precursor to the pineal gland, which is basically our antenna to the Divine.

Once this opens in many they then can connect, some people are born knowing Yoga (connection); I believe I could teach it to a shamanic level, yet I do not perceive everyone is a natural clairvoyant, the psychedelics activate this part of the brain.

Cannabis regulates the neural firing, and is needed to stop overloading in people with epilepsy; yet as a food in our diet it is an essential food, like any vitamin.

Without the omega oils that cannabis contains, the brain will over-fire, not think laterally, overly compartmentalize, not be calm to meditate properly, not see the state of inner reflection from rushing ahead, etc.

There have been scientific studies on omega 3 alone, cannabis contains a full range of omega oils, and the full range of amino acids needed for human life.

Thus we need to stop seeing food/herbs as being drugs, and recognize pharmaceutical comes from the word for witchcraft (G5331 pharmakeia).

Revelation 22:2 In the middle of its street. On this side of the river and on that was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruits, yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Cannabis can produce oil, rope, cloths, paper, fuel, food, healing, plastics, housing, etc.

It's roots thrive in 23 degrees earth, which means it can grow in nearly desert, and is a tree within a year; which means it literally can be used for saving this planet, and is the root of of the world's major religions, given to us by Sky Beings.

Like take into account currently there is tons of modern research into entheogens, and no real study of its interconnection with metaphysics - do we see the inevitable problem?

In my opinion.

All this makes sense. But I feel like a week ago you told me that cannabis in the anointing oil wasn't intended to be psychedelic. ( assuming that it actually was cannabis )

So which is it? Is the psychedelic experience required or not?

 

[Harel13]

Here is why Yeshua/Yehoshua is the fulfilment of prophecy from the Tanakh...

According to the Tanakh God is about to remove all those who stand against the Curse from reality; do you get Rabbinic Judaism stands against Moses to follow the Rabbi?

Yet lets be clear every religious tradition does not follow their original author; we are down near Hell, where the whole world is being tested, and made to be hypocritical on purpose, with the Great Tribulation coming soon.

It would be nice to believe Rabbinic Jews are going to study they could be wrong, and prevent the destruction of mankind; yet prophetically I do not believe it.

I'm aware of many insults, and appreciate leading the Gentiles astray on purpose; yet when the Rabbi do not realize the Gospel of John, Paul, and Simon the stone (peter) were prophetically put there by Judaism...

It would be crazy of me to take on board, that Rabbinic Jews can know what they're talking about - so honestly I feel sorry for many, as they have no clue it was all a morality exam.

Generally people will mock something they think looks stupid; thus the name "grub" ('jesus') is put there on purpose - people just like to name call before questioning.

In my opinion.

At this point I'm wondering if you've ever actually spoken to a rabbi, or all you know about Judaism is from the Bible and Wikipedia.

 

[wizanda]

So which is it? Is the psychedelic experience required or not?

There are two aspects of neurochemistry I was listing:

1) Pineal gland through psychedelics, these exist in many natural forms we'd eat, such as fungi, ergot, etc.

2) Cannabis in the diet to regulate neurochemistry, stopping over-firing, thus making people more rational.

Children are in this state until we give them alcohol, vinegar, yeast, meat; where the Laws of the Nazarite (Numbers 6), are everything we need to maintain this psychedelic conscious state.

In my opinion.

 

[dybmh]

Laws of the Nazarite

The nazarite abstains...

Now I am doubly confused...

 

[wizanda]

At this point I'm wondering if you've ever actually spoken to a rabbi, or all you know about Judaism is from the Bible and Wikipedia.

Where is it you feel I need guidance in understanding?

Plus why do you think I want to learn about Rabbinic Judaism - I find it some sect added on top of the Bible to be honest (Oral Traditions), and have a hard time with its teachings being Kosher.

This also applies with Muhammadans claiming they're Muslims, and that they are following the Quran.

Christians follow the Pharisees John, Paul, Simon the stone (peter); which contradict Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels.

Every religion doesn't follow their original instruction; they make up their own ideas after, as we're down near Hell, where everything becomes corrupted.

In my opinion.

 

[wizanda]

The nazarite abstains...

Now I am doubly confused...

When our brains are in heightened states, and we have certain bad foods we make our conscious state lower...

Since everyone is alcoholic carnivores in the world, like it was in Babylon, hardly anyone thinks straight any-more.

The Nazarite (Zan-A-Rites) Laws are to refrain from what brings us down; whilst we separate ourself back to higher consciousness with holy cannabis anointing oil, and holy psychedelic unleavened bread.

In my opinion.

 

[Harel13]

Where is it you feel I need guidance in understanding?

Oh, where to begin?
That Rabbis are against Moses, that Hell is an inherently bad place, what Rabbis do and do not know about the NT, etc.

 

[dybmh]

I find it some sect added on top of the Bible to be honest (Oral Traditions), and have a hard time with its teachings being Kosher.

Sorry dude, you're not the Moshiach then...

 

[wizanda]

Sorry dude, you're not the Moshiach then...

Challenging Rabbinic understanding is a Messianic past-time according to the Bible?

In my opinion.

 

[dybmh]

When our brains are in heightened states, and we have certain bad foods we make our conscious state lower...

Since everyone is alcoholic carnivores in the world, like it was in Babylon, hardly anyone thinks straight any-more.

The Nazarite (Zan-A-Rites) Laws are to refrain from what brings us down; whilst we separate ourself back to higher consciousness with holy cannabis anointing oil, and holy psychedelic unleavened bread.

In my opinion.

Ah.

OK.

Then you shouldn't have said this...

Children are in this state until we give them alcohol, vinegar, yeast, meat; where the Laws of the Nazarite (Numbers 6), are everything we need to maintain this psychedelic conscious state.

You should have said this:

Children are in this state until we give them alcohol, vinegar, yeast, meat; where My Laws of the Zan-A-Rites ( based on My own interpretation of Numbers 6), are everything we need to maintain this psychedelic conscious state.

What you did was a bait and switch.

 

[dybmh]

Challenging Rabbinic understanding is a Messianic past-time according to the Bible?

In my opinion.

If it doesn't lead to mitzvot.. it's a fail.

 

[wizanda]

That Rabbis are against Moses

Ever since Babylon they've messed up the language, not recognizing the difference between El and Elohim (Isaiah 46:9).

When we read Deuteronomy 32:7-9 it shows how El Elyon is the Source above Yahavah, and that it then goes on to show that we've rejected our (Eloh) Divine Being (Deuteronomy 32:15-22) - thus the Curse shall burn this reality.

that Hell is an inherently bad place

Isaiah 14:15 shows that below Hell is the Pit, and from the Pit comes the Rephaim (Isaiah 14:9) - which are demonic beings that have become Kings of the earth.

Since the Rephaim are to be removed at the Harvest (Isaiah 17:4-6, Isaiah 26:19); these are clearly a wicked force opposed to God - removed at Judgement Day.

what Rabbis do and do not know about the NT

The Rabbi are clueless from everything I've seen online, fetch the best, and I will debate them where they're wrong.

In my opinion.

 

[Sinncubus-74]

I just read about it here... Lecture 6 of ZHUAN FALUN

Another term worth understanding is makyo...Makyo - Wikipedia


The term makyō (魔境 makyō) is a Zen term that means “ghost cave” or “devil’s cave.” It is a figurative reference to the kind of self-delusion that results from clinging to an experience and making a conceptual “nest” out of it for oneself. Makyō is essentially synonymous with illusion, but especially in reference to experiences that can occur within meditation practice.

In Philip Kapleau's The Three Pillars of Zen,[1] Hakuun Yasutani explained the term as the combination of ma meaning devil and kyo meaning the objective world. This character for “devil” can also refer to Mara, the Buddhist “tempter” figure; and the character kyo can mean simply region, condition or place. Makyō refers to the hallucinations and perceptual distortions that can arise during the course of meditation and can be mistaken by the practitioner as "seeing the true nature" or kenshō. Zen masters warn their meditating students to ignore sensory distortions. These can occur in the form of visions and perceptual distortions, but they can also be experiences of blank, trance-like absorption states. In the Zen school, it is understood that neither category of experience – however fascinating they may be – is a true and final enlightenment.

@Howard Is and @Sinncubus-74

I think this is it...

I searched for "QI Gong Cultivation Insanity" in Google and starting getting results...

Zou huo ru mo - Wikipedia ( emphasis mine )

"Zou huo ru mo (Chinese: 走火入魔; pinyin: zǒuhuǒrùmó) or qigong deviation (Chinese: 氣功偏差; pinyin: qìgōngpiānchā; literally: 'qigong deviation/error' or Chinese: 气功出偏),[clarification needed] is a Chinese-culture concept traditionally used to indicate that something has gone wrong in spiritual or martial arts training. The qigong community uses this term to describe a physiological or psychological disorder believed to result during or after qigong practice, due to "improper practice" of qigong and other self-cultivation techniques. The concept was highlighted in the social and political context of mass popularization of qigong in China."

"While the Chinese Society of Psychiatry prefers the term "qigong deviation", the American Psychiatric Association uses psychosis terminology. Some physicians believe that this disease can be categorized as a culture-bound syndrome, but this point is debated."

"Symptoms are often identified as being in one of three categories:
panic, discomfort, and uncontrolled spontaneous movement;
sensory problems, such as visual or auditory hallucination; and
irrational beliefs."

And then searching for "Qi Gong Deviation" returned this: ( link )
Cultivation Insanity in Falun Dafa = "Qi Gong Deviation" in the Chinese Psychiatric community.

After reading the wikipedia article. I think that a tulpa could be accurately described as QI Gong Deviation.

Thanks for the info y'all.

And yes, from my point of view psychosis is indeed a potential danger when getting involved in magick-related practices, as it does involve manipulating your brain.

 

[wizanda]

What you did was a bait and switch.

There was no switching, a Nazarite separates them self and does certain Laws to maintain a higher state of consciousness.

The Laws a Nazarite was maintaining, happen to be a psychedelic cleansing ritual done by shamans.

A child is in that natural state, until we poison our brains with things not good for us (alcohol, meats, vinegar, yeast, death, etc).

The idea of swapping letters, and still having the same meanings is done in quite a few languages, and we can show where this is done in Ancient Hebrew.

In my opinion.