Koldo
Outstanding Member
It is a stretch.
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Why does God allow evil?
- Thread starter Gambit
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It is a stretch.
There is not such a thing as fault, if God guarantees that this is the best of all Universes, no matter what. And if He does not gurantee that, why call Him God?
If this is really the best of all possible Worlds, how can I make it any worse by going on a rampage and killing people randomly?
Ciao
- viole
Gambit
Well-Known Member
I don't think you can. But you may suffer some consequences for your actions. It appears to be the nature of things to maintain balance.
JM2C
CHRISTIAN
How do you judge which one is right or wrong if all, wrongs and rights, are the same, 'cause you said "there is not such a thing as fault"?
Why?
i could make a case that if I did not kill all those people, the Universe would have been worse or equally good.
Of what are you accusing me, if my act was, at worst, morally neutral?
Ciao
- viole
How I judge is not important. i am secular, so I do not believe in a God that instantiates the best of possible worlds. The not existence of such a being transfers immediate responsability to what we do, because we do not believe in a cosmic handyman that will repair everything.
The question is how you judge, since you believe in such a God. A God that, on account of His onmi attributes, must have instantiated the best of all possible worlds that cannot be possibly be ruined by our acts.
Ciao
- viole
Salek Atesh
Active Member
Embracing the dichotomy of Good and Evil. 'Twas that not "Original Sin"??
The problem of Good and Evil is that they define one another. One exists by definition of the other. Such is the truth of all our perceived dichotomies.
People ask how can Evil be allowed to exist, presumably because evil causes Suffering. But truly, how could a world with Pleasure exist without Suffering, which is defined by Pleasure?? What we view as sufferable or pleasurable is drawn wholly from our understandings of the two as opposites and our past experiences with them.
Imagine a world free of pain, where everyone lives pain-free until a prescribed age and then dies. No one dies before their time, and we need no medicine or food to continue living a healthy, pain-free life. But since the definitions of Pleasure and Suffering are defined by experience, these people would likely not recognize the lack of what we call Suffering. Rather, a lesser suffering would likely take the place of what they perceive as suffering. They'd view something like extreme poverty in the same way we view extreme violence, as to them, this would be the most extreme suffering they could possibly imagine. So how possibly could a world exist without Suffering, unless one eliminates the dichotomy and Pleasure as well??
Tao Te Ching 2 said:
The problem of Good and Evil is that they define one another. One exists by definition of the other. Such is the truth of all our perceived dichotomies.
People ask how can Evil be allowed to exist, presumably because evil causes Suffering. But truly, how could a world with Pleasure exist without Suffering, which is defined by Pleasure?? What we view as sufferable or pleasurable is drawn wholly from our understandings of the two as opposites and our past experiences with them.
Imagine a world free of pain, where everyone lives pain-free until a prescribed age and then dies. No one dies before their time, and we need no medicine or food to continue living a healthy, pain-free life. But since the definitions of Pleasure and Suffering are defined by experience, these people would likely not recognize the lack of what we call Suffering. Rather, a lesser suffering would likely take the place of what they perceive as suffering. They'd view something like extreme poverty in the same way we view extreme violence, as to them, this would be the most extreme suffering they could possibly imagine. So how possibly could a world exist without Suffering, unless one eliminates the dichotomy and Pleasure as well??
Planet earth is a place where evil is allowed to be shown up then destroyed, such that an eternity called heaven can be built. Planet earth is thus said to be a wilderness where God's lost sheep are among the wolves and goats. The Shepherd will finally lead the sheep out as foreshadowed in Exodus.
Gambit
Well-Known Member
Are you implying that the dichotomy is a false one?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
So why did God "allow" the Holocaust?
Salek Atesh
Active Member
I would think it is, based on what my religion teaches, though perhaps as a whole my religious community does not recognize this. Adam, First of Prophets, turns from God. Instead Adam embraces the Knowledge of Good and Evil, the dichotomy in question, in place of God, and for that crime, loses Heaven.
This process of Falling is paralleled in the Tao Te Ching:
Tao Te Ching 38 said:
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Gambit
Well-Known Member
joshua3886
Great Purple Hippo
Simple answer: God doesn't exist. Instead of coming up with complicated circle logic to try and explain why an all loving God would allow us to suffer; it makes perfect sense that God simply doesn't exist.
JM2C
CHRISTIAN
What is your interpretation of "the best possible worlds", or the world where we live in?
JM2C
CHRISTIAN
How about when you're feeling good, does God exist?
Whether a situation is positive or negative, is there any situation that makes more sense when we assume that God exists?
What explanatory power does God have, if any?
JM2C
CHRISTIAN
If you answer this post#3932441 then I will answer this otherwise don’t bother me.
I'm on my phone. The mobile version of the site doesn't show post numbers. If you quote the post, I'll know which one you're talking about.
Take two possible worlds. For instance one world with us and a world where the dinosaurs did not get extinct. Or one without Hitler or Gengis Khan. Etc.
Since He is God, I expect that He instanciates the best of all these possible worlds. Because if it did not, He would not be supremely good and therefore not God.
Therefore, if you believe in such a God, you are forced to believe that the instanciated one (this one) is the best of all.
Ciao
- viole
JM2C
CHRISTIAN
You want to drag me into this little world of yours so you could play it the way you want. Not really interested in your unproven theories. The best of the possible worlds. That theory could really tax your mind and before you know it you’re as confused as the one who theorize it. You could start a thread and see what happen. Ciao my friend.