Why does God create people that are going to hell?

[Uchi Mata]

What's the point?

We can all agree that the Christian god knows who is going to hell, and who isn't. I see no reason why God would create people that he is sure will go to hell.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

What's the point?

We can all agree that the Christian god knows who is going to hell, and who isn't. I see no reason why God would create people that he is sure will go to hell.

We can not all agree with your statement.

First I do not believe that there is a place "Hell"
and Secondly whilst God can see our whole lives laid out before him.... were he to chose to do so.
Only we not he, are restrained by time, and what we do is governed by free will and is not for-ordained in the sense you imply.

Our lives are our own to lead and will will eventually come to God's presence. However to do this our sins and memories will be stripped away by God's love and forgiveness. only then can our souls return to him in purity.

There will be few souls indeed that will return to him with any sense of remaining identity .

 

[~Shocher emit~]

Since the word "hell" means no more than the "grave" it is very plausible to say that we are all going to hell.

Also saying that the Most High knows whose going to hell is also correct being that he said........

Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

As a curse to man for what Adam did we will all die and return to that which we were formed. The ground. Hence we will all die and go to hell, I mean the grave.

 

[IF_u_knew]

What's the point?

We can all agree that the Christian god knows who is going to hell, and who isn't. I see no reason why God would create people that he is sure will go to hell.

What do *you* think the reason is for the creation of such a god? And what is hell in your view? I know that G.d allows for people to go through hell for their own good, but my view of hell differs from the Christian view. ... oh and key word being *allows.*

 

[Comicaze247]

The same reason he made everything else.

He was bored.

 

[Little Joe Gould]

God doesn't create people to go to Hell.

God creates every person with free will and gives them the choice between behaving evil or behaving good. It is analogous to taping a football game and then watching it again. You know what the players are going to do yet you do not control their actions. God is omniscient, however just because he knows what you're going to do doesn't mean he made you do it.

 

[Uchi Mata]

God doesn't create people to go to Hell.

God creates every person with free will and gives them the choice between behaving evil or behaving good. It is analogous to taping a football game and then watching it again. You know what the players are going to do yet you do not control their actions. God is omniscient, however just because he knows what you're going to do doesn't mean he made you do it.

That does not all change the fact that an omniscient being would know all of your "free" choices before you even existed, and would therefor know if you would end up in Heaven or Hell.

My question is, in knowing before a person is even born that they will go to hell, why does God not simply refrain from creating these people?

 

[Katzpur]

What's the point?

We can all agree that the Christian god knows who is going to hell, and who isn't. I see no reason why God would create people that he is sure will go to hell.

God doesn't create anybody who's going to hell. Everybody is born pure and clean and perfect.

 

[Uchi Mata]

What do *you* think the reason is for the creation of such a god? And what is hell in your view? I know that G.d allows for people to go through hell for their own good, but my view of hell differs from the Christian view. ... oh and key word being *allows.*

I think it's all a very comical human myth, and absolutely nothing more.

However, I think through asking questions like these that the outright silliness and ridiculousness of religions like Christianity is exposed, helping us better understand that these belief systems are based on feeble and poorly constructed lies.

 

[Uchi Mata]

God doesn't create anybody who's going to hell. Everybody is born pure and clean and perfect.

The state of someone entering the world is not what is in question here.

Before humans exist on Earth, God knows that in the year 2009, Person X will die and their fate will be sealed to Hell, because they are not saved. Thus, we can say that God has created Person X (by way of creating the universe and subsequent life on our planet) knowing with 100% certainty (God is omniscient and never wrong) that Person X would go to Hell.

Why did God even bother creating Person X? God knew that Person X's choices would absolutely lead to an eternal afterlife spent in Hell, and decided to send them on their way anyway. Is that REALLY love?

 

[Katzpur]

I think it's all a very comical human myth, and absolutely nothing more.

However, I think through asking questions like these that the outright silliness and ridiculousness of religions like Christianity is exposed, helping us better understand that these belief systems are based on feeble and poorly constructed lies.

Now that's what's ridiculous -- some know-it-all coming onto a religious forum and thinking he's going to expose something to the world and that everybody who believes in God is going to realize that their beliefs are silly and just give them up. That's a pretty big ego you've got their, Uchi Mata. Good luck getting anybody to listen to you, aside from the ones who think just like you. I can't help but wonder how long you'll last before you realize that nobody's paying attention to your rants.

 

[Uchi Mata]

Thanks, I hope to enjoy my stay.

 

[~Shocher emit~]

I might just be daft but can someone tell me where it is written that The Most High is omni-anything? I mean where does it specifically state that he knows what we are going to do? Oh, but better yet, where is it that it is written that we existed before we existed? That’s confusing to me because I can't find this written anywhere in the bible. Can you guys quote me some scripture that doesn't take allot of inferring or intellectualizing with our own thoughts and feelings?

 

[HoldemDB9]

God doesn't create people to go to Hell.

God creates every person with free will and gives them the choice between behaving evil or behaving good. It is analogous to taping a football game and then watching it again. You know what the players are going to do yet you do not control their actions. God is omniscient, however just because he knows what you're going to do doesn't mean he made you do it.

Out of curiosity, do you believe that good people will go to heaven and bad people go to Hell - simple as that? This is a sound belief imo, but don't you believe that only Christians will go to heaven?

Now that's what's ridiculous -- some know-it-all coming onto a religious forum and thinking he's going to expose something to the world and that everybody who believes in God is going to realize that their beliefs are silly and just give them up. That's a pretty big ego you've got their, Uchi Mata. Good luck getting anybody to listen to you, aside from the ones who think just like you. I can't help but wonder how long you'll last before you realize that nobody's paying attention to your rants.

I don't think what he said applied to everyone who believes in God. It may sound offensive but it really is the truth - imo the vast majority of religious people have many many silly and ridiculous beleifs. And I don't mean beleifs that defy science or beliefs that cannot be proved. I mean beleifs that contradict other beliefs that they have and beliefs that are completely illogical.

For example, many Christians I've spoke with believe that God punishes people for things which were beyond their control, but at the same time God is just, loving and righteous.

I think Uchi Mata made an extremely good point and I would love to see a Christian answer.

 

[Little Joe Gould]

I have no idea. I try not to judge others. I know that that is God's job and God's job only and I worship a righteous God so I trust in His decisions.

 

[Dezzie]

God doesn't create anybody who's going to hell. Everybody is born pure and clean and perfect.

It is just terrible if a child is born into a family that raises them into a killer. Wouldn't God know that? Just because they are born "perfect" doesn't mean God doesn't know what choices a human being will make. Isn't God all knowing and powerful? :angel2:

 

[Dragonlance]

God created man spiritually perfect, and made him a moral creature. But man fell from grace as a consequence of choosing the pleasures that sin would offer. Sin is a sickness of the soul and acts like a barrier between our world and Gods world. Its a disease that makes a relationship with God impossible and as a consequence of that, we become unhappy. We see no meaning to life and live only to fill our bellies and for carnal pleasures - oblivious to the bigger reality and greater blessings that we are missing out on. So for us to come back to Gods world again we need to repent our sins, meaning we need to get well again. And in Christianity you repent by following Jesus. In other religions repentance is done in other ways. Repentance is not a very fun thing to do tho, it involves a lot of toil... so for many this is a difficult choice to make and the prospect of living for the day and ending life in the grave simply seems like the smarter thing to do.

So the question is, why was there a tree in Eden with a forbidden fruit to begin with? If God knew that eating from it would result in disaster, why did he put it there right in front of Adam and Eve?

One of the many benefits of having a religion and a spiritual outlook on life is that one can trust in the fact that there is a meaning to everything. And one can also be tolerant to the fact that this meaning is not always revealed to us. We must not forget that we are the created beings and we also do not always know what is best for us. But why create the possibility for disaster at all?

According to ancient spiritual beliefs, the world is not made up of matter or "spirit". We dont measure substances in spirituality. The world is instead seen as a morally ordered world and we are here to learn to choose good instead of evil. Creating a world, something that has an existance is like saying what is good. It is to make a commandment and to write a new law. And if there is something good, a commandment and a law, there is also the possibility of breaking it. Does that mean that the lawgiver wants his people to break the law so they can end up in jail? Ofcource not.

Is there a hell? Quite possibly. We dont understand the final implications of sin. We dont have the ability to even realize how terrible sin and its consequence is. We cant even understand death or when one beloved dies, how are we then going to understand something that has sent billions to their deaths?

Sin makes us blind to these realities, and to our own faults. It makes us filled with ourselves instead of God. Should there be no consequences to this behaviour?

The argument against religion, on the grounds that there is a hell, is like arguing against the law because there are prisons with criminals in them. If the criminals were not placed in jail, they would destroy the whole of society and it would also render all authority impotent and meaningless. There would soon be anarchy and the morality of the public would disappear, the result would be eternal torment for everyone.

So, here we are in this world, like a detention center. We dont like it here tho. We would rather have endless pleasures and no restrictions. But while we are here we have the possibility of choosing right instead of wrong, good instead of evil, God instead of ourselves. God even sent his son here to establish a new reconciliation to show us that there is a way out of "here", but it isnt through ourselves it must be according to the one that is sent to save us back to God again.

 

[Dragonlance]

Let me retract what I formerly stated, as if it would be an opinion of fact. God created man, but thats it. He didnt make him perfect. Only God is perfect. And God has a plan for his creation, and we can not know it. What seems to us to be vicious, meaningless and cruel, is so only because we are limited, in time, space and understanding of the spiritual reasons and therefore does not comprehend. We should therefore trust God and that whatever happends does so for the sake of the betterment of His creation. Are we here to learn to choose good instead of evil? To what end? Since we are limited in understanding the greater good and therefore sees cruelties, suffering and meaninglessness, how are we then to know to choose what is good? It turns out that we cannot choose this, because we just dont have the ability to understand it. Whatever we do on our own and whatever we think we understands about good and evil carries with it the risc of making our journey in the fulfillment of creation into a more painful one, rather than a pleasureable one. We therefore has to turn our will completely over to the maker and act not on our own selfish rash judgements of what we think is good or bad, but to act with prayer (prayer=listening to God).

 

[Mulder]

This is one of those rare subjects that no one really brings up, and I respect that. But the christian God gave his subjects the choice of free will, the freedom to do with their lives whatever they want.

 

[Dragonlance]

Correct, however I think that if it is understood in the way that a secular person thinks about free will, it would look like sadism. In fact I can understand that anything theological would seem like sadism to a secularized person because of how they view a human being, they interpret the Word accordingly. A secular person usually views himself as alone in the universe, isolated from people around him, and that will make him look on free will as the ultimate punishment. Becuase it would mean utter bewilderment, constant transgressions for wich there is eternal torment. The secular person must open his eyes to the fact that he is not alone, and even tho we are in a world where we can exercize free will, ultimately God rules. We must look at life not from the top, but sideways.