Why does god kill the innocent?

[savethedreams]

God has killed animals during the flood of noah for what? Why did he kill a cat and a deer for during the flood of noah, if they did nothing?

Why did god wanted Issac to be killed, why would he put Issaic through that stress?

the plagues and so on... I mean children and a new born baby cannot be doing 'sin' in sodom.

So for Christians, what logcial reason do you have behind this, using scripture and please take in note that 'god does not change'.

and please also take into account that I am a very non-violent person, and will be getting to the jains belief of non-violence soon in my life.

 

[Lucian]

Why does nature kill the innocent?

 

[emptybe]

God has killed animals during the flood of noah for what? Why did he kill a cat and a deer for during the flood of noah, if they did nothing?

Why did god wanted Issac to be killed, why would he put Issaic through that stress?

the plagues and so on... I mean children and a new born baby cannot be doing 'sin' in sodom.

So for Christians, what logcial reason do you have behind this, using scripture and please take in note that 'god does not change'.

and please also take into account that I am a very non-violent person, and will be getting to the jains belief of non-violence soon in my life.

Who says Christianity is "logical"?

 

[Father Heathen]

Why does nature kill the innocent?

Nature isn't an intelligent entity that arbitrates morality.

 

[Lucian]

Nature isn't an intelligent entity that arbitrates morality.

Exactly. The mistake is assuming that God is a man or some sort of a super-man.

 

[Father Heathen]

Exactly. The mistake is assuming that God is a man or some sort of a super-man.

Okay, I can understand that perspective, but doesn't that conflict with the christian idea that god is an anthropomorphic character who decides and judges mankind's morality? If you see god through a deistic lens, why cling to the baggage of judeochristian mythology?

 

[FSM-follower]

Life isn't fair. This is something I think any person of any belief will come to realize sooner or later.

 

[dmgdnooc]

God has killed animals during the flood of noah for what? Why did he kill a cat and a deer for during the flood of noah, if they did nothing?

Why did god wanted Issac to be killed, why would he put Issaic through that stress?

the plagues and so on... I mean children and a new born baby cannot be doing 'sin' in sodom.

So for Christians, what logcial reason do you have behind this, using scripture and please take in note that 'god does not change'.

and please also take into account that I am a very non-violent person, and will be getting to the jains belief of non-violence soon in my life.

The God of the Bible and you do not share the same understanding of the purpose of the living.
God does not progress naked through history pushing a broom before him lest he step on an ant and bring pain to another soul.
　
If you were Isaac then you would have been stressed to the max because you imagine God's enmity was directed at him.
However, Isaac was faithful and understood that he would survive intact because he believed that God would raise Abraham's seed through him.
He had heard his father say to the servants that 'I (Abraham) and the lad (Isaac) will go yonder and worship, and come again to you.'
They went 'both of them together' to the place of worship - that is, in mutual accord.
　
Plagues and the death of babes are difficult to bear.
However it may well be (and I think it was for a babe of Sodom) that death was preferrable to a life of being daily ***-raped and made ambitious to be the rapist rather than the raped, because those were the only alternatives available in Sodom's society.
　
A Christian trusts in God's judgement over the judgements of a man, and seeks to understand why a particular action was taken in a particular circumstance.
　
So, why does God kill the innocent?
In framing the question you have judged that He does.
You have set your seal of judgement above God's and decided who is innocent and who is guilty; who should live and who should die.
You ask, by implication, why God does not conform to your superior moral standards.
Yeah, well, I've come to expect that.

 

[ninerbuff]

Exactly. The mistake is assuming that God is a man or some sort of a super-man.

You assume the god made nature.

 

[ninerbuff]

The God of the Bible and you do not share the same understanding of the purpose of the living.
God does not progress naked through history pushing a broom before him lest he step on an ant and bring pain to another soul.
　
If you were Isaac then you would have been stressed to the max because you imagine God's enmity was directed at him.
However, Isaac was faithful and understood that he would survive intact because he believed that God would raise Abraham's seed through him.
He had heard his father say to the servants that 'I (Abraham) and the lad (Isaac) will go yonder and worship, and come again to you.'
They went 'both of them together' to the place of worship - that is, in mutual accord.
　
Plagues and the death of babes are difficult to bear.
However it may well be (and I think it was for a babe of Sodom) that death was preferrable to a life of being daily ***-raped and made ambitious to be the rapist rather than the raped, because those were the only alternatives available in Sodom's society.
　
A Christian trusts in God's judgement over the judgements of a man, and seeks to understand why a particular action was taken in a particular circumstance.
　
So, why does God kill the innocent?
In framing the question you have judged that He does.
You have set your seal of judgement above God's and decided who is innocent and who is guilty; who should live and who should die.
You ask, by implication, why God does not conform to your superior moral standards.
Yeah, well, I've come to expect that.

Yet god sets our moral standards with commandments? So in other words this god is allowed a double standard?

 

[dmgdnooc]

Which double standard is that?

 

[chinu]

Why does god kill the innocent?

Today, i saw a very innocent loin .

But, loin is loin



_/\_Chinu.

 

[Father Heathen]

Today, i saw a very innocent loin .

But, loin is loin



_/\_Chinu.

lolwhat

 

[chinu]

lolwhat

Man means "Mind" not no-mind,
"Mind" means "Sinner"
"Mind" can never be innocent,

Anyhow, Who are we to declare anybody as innocent,
Only jesus or godhimself has this right not we "Sinners".

_/\_ Chinu.

 

[Onlooker]

God has killed animals during the flood of noah for what? Why did he kill a cat and a deer for during the flood of noah, if they did nothing?

Why did god wanted Issac to be killed, why would he put Issaic through that stress?

the plagues and so on... I mean children and a new born baby cannot be doing 'sin' in sodom.

So for Christians, what logcial reason do you have behind this, using scripture and please take in note that 'god does not change'.

and please also take into account that I am a very non-violent person, and will be getting to the jains belief of non-violence soon in my life.

First lets start simple, If there is a God, he has to be greater than his creation (last time i checked the physicist that study quarks etc. , state we have at least 11 dimensions in this universe). So, you and I cannot understand where "God" is coming from, what He is doing or any other 4 dimensional question that you want to form.
Second, If you believe in God, the bible describes the big picture (there are significant translation errors between Hebrew and English bibles, but the main concepts are there).
God created other spiritual beings prior to man, which apparently have free will. (so there is a spiritual dimension of our "world"). Some of these spirits have gone rogue and are bad (roughly a third).
He created everything for His (God) benefit. Man is the peak of that creation. Everything was under mans' dominion (i know, PETA is ****** off at this contention).
He gave man a free will, hence the whole sinning aspect. (just telling you my take on Gods "plan"). Man sins with the help of some "bad" spiritual guidance.
Third, now there is a problem with Gods desire, to communicate with His creation (man), so he puts a distance between His creation and Himself.
Lastly, man continues with his life, imperfections and all. Man lives in a world that is unique, we have dominion with physical and spiritual aspects. We want to listen and follow "bad" spiritual advice and act physically bad, we have that will and freedom.
Of course, consequences follow in a physical world (and most likely in a spiritual world).
God still tries to communicate with His creation, but desires man to search for Him.
The Bible is full of stories of God trying to communicate with man, searching for people who will believe in HIm, disgusted with an early batch (noah time), disgusted with the later batch. Eventually finding people that want to follow a monotheistic Creator.
Not an easy story to read, if you believe in an Omnipotent/Omnipresent Creator that is greater than His creation, time frames are outside our reality (I dont know about you, but I have a shelf life on this earth that is small compared to 14 billion years of the universe age). Not only are the time frames out, but concepts of sin, right, wrong, justice, morality, eternity, sacrifices, well pretty much everything is hard to comprehend from His point of view.

 

[McBell]

Yet god sets our moral standards with commandments? So in other words this god is allowed a double standard?

The "Do as I say, not as I do" double standard.

 

[McBell]

First lets start simple, If there is a God, he has to be greater than his creation (last time i checked the physicist that study quarks etc. , state we have at least 11 dimensions in this universe). So, you and I cannot understand where "God" is coming from, what He is doing or any other 4 dimensional question that you want to form.
Second, If you believe in God, the bible describes the big picture (there are significant translation errors between Hebrew and English bibles, but the main concepts are there).
God created other spiritual beings prior to man, which apparently have free will. (so there is a spiritual dimension of our "world"). Some of these spirits have gone rogue and are bad (roughly a third).
He created everything for His (God) benefit. Man is the peak of that creation. Everything was under mans' dominion (i know, PETA is ****** off at this contention).
He gave man a free will, hence the whole sinning aspect. (just telling you my take on Gods "plan"). Man sins with the help of some "bad" spiritual guidance.
Third, now there is a problem with Gods desire, to communicate with His creation (man), so he puts a distance between His creation and Himself.
Lastly, man continues with his life, imperfections and all. Man lives in a world that is unique, we have dominion with physical and spiritual aspects. We want to listen and follow "bad" spiritual advice and act physically bad, we have that will and freedom.
Of course, consequences follow in a physical world (and most likely in a spiritual world).
God still tries to communicate with His creation, but desires man to search for Him.
The Bible is full of stories of God trying to communicate with man, searching for people who will believe in HIm, disgusted with an early batch (noah time), disgusted with the later batch. Eventually finding people that want to follow a monotheistic Creator.
Not an easy story to read, if you believe in an Omnipotent/Omnipresent Creator that is greater than His creation, time frames are outside our reality (I dont know about you, but I have a shelf life on this earth that is small compared to 14 billion years of the universe age). Not only are the time frames out, but concepts of sin, right, wrong, justice, morality, eternity, sacrifices, well pretty much everything is hard to comprehend from His point of view.

Are you saying that it is hard for god to comprehend sin, right, wrong, justice, morality, eternity, sacrifices, well pretty much everything..?

 

[Onlooker]

Are you saying that it is hard for god to comprehend sin, right, wrong, justice, morality, eternity, sacrifices, well pretty much everything..?

If my syntax ran into that conclusion, I apologize.
One more cup of coffee will cure that.

What was meant to be conveyed is that man has a hard time understanding a God who is Omnipotent (at least greater than his creation by one dimension, so lets say he is 12 dimensions).

I dont even know what dimensions there are past x,y,z (cartesian coordinates) and time. But if we could discuss all 11 of the ones the physicists write about, God has to be greater.
So, how can we even try to understand what He comprehends?

 

[McBell]

If my syntax ran into that conclusion, I apologize.
One more cup of coffee will cure that.

I had a feeling that it was weirdly worded and that my take on it was not what you meant.
Thus the reason I asked.

What was meant to be conveyed is that man has a hard time understanding a God who is Omnipotent (at least greater than his creation by one dimension, so lets say he is 12 dimensions).

I dont even know what dimensions there are past x,y,z (cartesian coordinates) and time. But if we could discuss all 11 of the ones the physicists write about, God has to be greater.
So, how can we even try to understand what He comprehends?

So you are basically saying that god's comprehension of the matters are beyond our ability to comprehend?

 

[Onlooker]

I had a feeling that it was weirdly worded and that my take on it was not what you meant.
Thus the reason I asked.


So you are basically saying that god's comprehension of the matters are beyond our ability to comprehend?

I believe so.
Just from the time aspect of it.
My lifespan is 100 years (assuming extra medical advances, quickly please)
Universe is 13 +/- billion years old, I cant comprehend all the planning of creation. But my belief is that God did.
I do believe that we are created in His likeness. So we have a creative, logical, and productive mind that can reason most matters.