Why does god kill the innocent?

[dmgdnooc]

The "Do as I say, not as I do" double standard.

Wha!
Do you imagine that God steals or covets his neighbour's wife or some such?

 

[Lucian]

Okay, I can understand that perspective, but doesn't that conflict with the christian idea that god is an anthropomorphic character who decides and judges mankind's morality? If you see god through a deistic lens, why cling to the baggage of judeochristian mythology?

It's actually not Deism, although Deists have had a close relationship with Unitarians. That would overly simplify what I mean. Anthropomorphism is one way of describing the indescribable. Christian theology states that God is not corporeal (with the exception that Mormon theology assigns God corporeality). So God does not truly look like anything we could imagine.

Unfortunately, everyone is so set on Latin theology. Christianity has many traditions, and Latin theology is only one. One should rather focus on God as life, rather than the "punishment vs. reward" system. Moral code exists for guiding us on a right path, it's not something that is created - it is. It's the teachings of Christ, the commandment of love, that bring us to oneness with God, and not acting lovingly on the other hand brings us away from God. The focus should be on how to make the lives of our fellow beings better, rather than blaming someone else for our problems. We have free will to choose either way, but the only good way is the way of love. The teaching of love exists because that is how things are, not because they have been set as such. God does not change, because God is love.

You assume the god made nature.

Are you interested in learning or trolling in the DIR section?

 

[ninerbuff]

Wha!
Do you imagine that God steals or covets his neighbour's wife or some such?

Hahaha! Didn't he covet Mary?

 

[dmgdnooc]

Mary was already His, as was Joseph.
But I see your point and acknowledge the ambiguity in the example.
　
Now if I had said covet His neighbour's ox, would you have mentioned the sacrifices?

 

[Father Heathen]

Sigh, stealth DIRs. Didn't realize this was in one. Disregard my posts.

 

[Thesavorofpan]

God has killed animals during the flood of noah for what? Why did he kill a cat and a deer for during the flood of noah, if they did nothing?

Why did god wanted Issac to be killed, why would he put Issaic through that stress?

the plagues and so on... I mean children and a new born baby cannot be doing 'sin' in sodom.

So for Christians, what logcial reason do you have behind this, using scripture and please take in note that 'god does not change'.

and please also take into account that I am a very non-violent person, and will be getting to the jains belief of non-violence soon in my life.

Because its fun. Oh so so so fun.

 

[ninerbuff]

Mary was already His, as was Joseph.
But I see your point and acknowledge the ambiguity in the example.
　
Now if I had said covet His neighbour's ox, would you have mentioned the sacrifices?

So god "owns" us? Isn't that against "free will"?

 

[dmgdnooc]

So god "owns" us? Isn't that against "free will"?

Yes.
No.

 

[lockyfan]

God has killed animals during the flood of noah for what? Why did he kill a cat and a deer for during the flood of noah, if they did nothing?

The bible answers this at Genesis 6:11. The Earth was Ruined in his eyes. All flesh that being man and animal. Only Noah, his wife, his sons, their wives (8 people) survived that flood, along with all species of animal .

Why did god wanted Issac to be killed, why would he put Isaic through that stress?

God did not want to kill Isaac, otherwise he would have let Abraham put that knife into him. However it was a way for both Isaac and Abraham to demonstrate their loyalty and devotion to God. Not only did they pass, but they both got the Kingdom blessing from Jehovah to have

A: The Nation of Israel from their decendants and
B: the Messianic King, Jesus Christ is from their line as well.

Also please note that Abraham is counted as One of Jehoavah God's friends.(Isaiah 41:8, James 2:23) He was willing to do the SAME THING JEHOVAH DID. That was to Sacrifice his most prescious son to another. Jehovah saw Abraham was willing to follow His word to the letter and so stopped him. Abraham proved faithful. He was Imperfect as well.
Adam and Eve had a much simpler way of having to show their love and obiedience to God by not eating ONE TREE out of THOUSANDS and they were PERFECT, but they failed.

From this alone, the fact that Abraham and Isaac both Willing Participants. Isaac could have run away, but he didn't. Abraham could have told God to go stick it (as Adam and Eve and Cain, Sodom and Gommorah, the world in Noahs day, the nation of Israel before their exile in Babylon) but he didn't he remained faithful and this was "counted as Righteousness." Gen 15:6, Galatians 3:6, James 2:23, Romans 4:3,

Also Abraham would have known a lot more about God because he had a priviledge that we dont now. God spoke with Abraham to Abraham. He does not do that these days, not directly to humans. He does it through his Holy Spirit giving his people "food at the proper time" through his faithful and discreet slave on earth today. (Matt 24:45), (John 6:27) And through the bible 2 Tim 3:16-17.
We do know through the bible though, that there will be ressurection of both the righteous and unrighteous (John 5:29-30, Rev 2:11-15)

the plagues and so on... I mean children and a new born baby cannot be doing 'sin' in sodom.

1 Chronicals 28:9, he reads hearts and discerns thoughts.
All children are born in "sin"for the simple fact that we are all imperfect. Everytime a child disobeys its parents, that is a sin. Yes you are correct a newborn cannot be doing sin, but it is the intentions of that child, its heart condition that he read, if he had seen some good in it he would have saved that child too. He knows us from when we are just an embryo.

(Psalm 139:16
Your eyes saw even the embryo of me,
And in your book all its parts were down in writing,
As regards the days when they were formed
And there was not yet one among them.)


Also remember Gen 18:20-32. Jehovah said he would not destroy it even if the number got as low as 10. (please read this scripture)

So for Christians, what logcial reason do you have behind this, using scripture and please take in note that 'god does not change'.

and please also take into account that I am a very non-violent person, and will be getting to the jains belief of non-violence soon in my life.

God's wars are righteous. He stands for righteousness itself. If it were not for a good reason, it does not happen. It may seem cold and heartless to some, however, it is because we are ALL born IMPERFECT and yet we do have a heart that is either willing or not to serve God. Its up to us.

He has provided his Son as a ransom so that we can enjoy everlasting life as we were meant to. He created this beautiful earth with trees and animals and all sorts of things for our enjoyment and to spread this paradise he created through all the inhaboted earth (Gen 1:28 and 2:15) Also he only ever created man in his image. In other words we are the only ones ever conscious that we will die.

(Ecclesiastes 9:5) For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. we are the only ones that can feel emotions and talk.



Thats ok to be non-violent. Jesus, God's son and messanger, told his people to be peaceful to "love your neighbour as yourself" (Matt 22:35-40).

Isaiah 2:2-4
And it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it all the nations must stream. And many peoples will certainly go and say: “Come, YOU people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths.” For out of Zion law will go forth, and the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore

Jesus put a strong importance in something called "the harvest" (Matt 13:24-30, (explanation from christ about htis harvest at Matt 13:36-43) This is how people stream to God, because this "harvest" is reaped by people going out preaching the "good news of the kingdom" (Matt 24:11-14, Matt 28:19-20)



I really hope I havent given you too much at once and I hope you can understand it.

 

[PhAA]

Newborns being sinful goes back to the Original Sin. Why should the innocent inherit the "sin" of Adam and other and ancestors and be punished?

I think the double standard is that he commanded to "thou shall not kill" and he goes around killing innocent creations.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that the 11/12 dimensions in physics is physical dimensions, not philosophical or paranormal.

 

[McBell]

Wha!
Do you imagine that God steals or covets his neighbour's wife or some such?

Are you saying he doesn't?