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Why does God need prophets?
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arthra
Baha'i
I mean...if God wants to tell us something, cannot he just appear in the sky or something and then speak to us in a loud voice? I am sure all atheists will just become theists then and there. :yes:
Instead, God chooses the most improbable and unverifiable way of communication.
He first communicates what he wants to say to arch-angel Jebril. This Jebril is not human. Then, Jebril then has find Mohammed and give God's divine message.
Jebriel's first encounter with Mohammed is also noteworthy.
Is any of this remotely believeable/verifiable?
Gabriel as an angel of the Lord is symbolic here of the Holy Spirit...
The name Gabriel consists of two parts. The final bit is
The first segment of the name Gabriel comes from the verb
Gabriel | The amazing name Gabriel: meaning and etymology
It is just as "reasonable" as God using the "burning bush" to call Moses
3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
(King James Bible, Exodus)
or the symbol of the dove descending after the Baptism of Jesus...
1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
(King James Bible, John)
Perhaps some men indeed need prophets. You think you do, for example. Some children need external forms of discipline. Some figure it out on their own.
Bob Dixon
>implying
Are you implying you "figured it out" all on your own?
Not at all. I am implying there is a difference between a teacher and a prophet. Teachers are considered essential in Hinduism. One needs a Guru .. that's a pretty basic teaching. But a Guru is different than a Prophet. (At least in my limited understanding ... I am very unfamiliar with Prophet based faiths.) The Guru helps you help yourself, or shows the right path, but He is not the path. He cannot do the work for you.
But yes, in the end, we have to figure it out on our own. I haven't ... yet ... several thousand more lifetimes most likely.
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
I mean...if God wants to tell us something, cannot he just appear in the sky or something and then speak to us in a loud voice? I am sure all atheists will just become theists then and there. :yes:
Instead, God chooses the most improbable and unverifiable way of communication.
No, God cannot appear as a physical being. So, there needs to be a mediator between God and human. Like the sun and the earth. the rays of the sun brings the light to earth. The Holy Spirit brings the Word of God to human.
And not every human is capable of recieving revelation through Holy Spirit. That requires special human beings, the Prophets, the Manifestations of God.
Not every Mirror is capable of reflecting the light perfectly, only the perfectly clean mirror.
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waitasec
Veteran Member
when i see a red traffic light on the street, i respond...
so many people are waiting and waiting and waiting to no avail....
waitasec
Veteran Member
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
Would you prefer, your creator guide you, or you figure it out on your own?
Well, depends if you believe there is a creator or not. and if you believe there is a creator, then depends if you believe God sends prophets or not.
Ummm...why? Is your God not omnipotent that he can appear as a physical being?
Christians and Hindus seem to think so. Are they wrong? Prove it.
If Allah cannot communicate with us humans directly, how does he communicate with Jebril?
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Starsoul
Truth
Because perhaps the sole reason behind creating humans is to empower them with reason and to enable them to understand the reality on their own ?
If humans werent the types who didnt learn without making mistakes and without going through pain, they would've been living happily ever after in the heaven, where they were first deployed. At that instance it was Only God who spoke to them directly, but apparently that didn't work out either.
Man had to be sent into a world of trials and temptations , with divine knowledge and Special Role Models in the form of Prophets who would live the example of the divine text and show people how overcome the trial that they have been subjected to.
If humans werent the types who didnt learn without making mistakes and without going through pain, they would've been living happily ever after in the heaven, where they were first deployed. At that instance it was Only God who spoke to them directly, but apparently that didn't work out either.
Man had to be sent into a world of trials and temptations , with divine knowledge and Special Role Models in the form of Prophets who would live the example of the divine text and show people how overcome the trial that they have been subjected to.
Vultar
Active Member
God does seem to be able to appear in human form
Genesis 3:8 said:
So it looks like god can walk and talk in the garden
Genesis 3:9 said:
I'm guessing "God" doesn't know everything... maybe that's why he needs Prophets...
chinu
chinu
Because he doesn't want any kind of disturbance for himself or for his souls who are hanging in compleate bliss with him in heaven for ever. He has created heaven as the place of compleate bliss away from any kind of universal disturbance.
If god would not have been created prophets or saints, Than the evocations of crying souls who are thirsty and are intrested in going back to their "Real home" (heaven) back, would have been disturbing god and his souls again and again. As a result this will break the peace and bliss of heaven and will turn heaven from "Place of permanent bliss and peace" into "Place of disturbance".
Thus.. to escape from these painfull evocations made by souls who are thirsty and intrested in going back to their real home (means heaven) back, god has handed over this compleate management to his prophets or saints.
In true words, only the one who is thirsty and intrested in going back to their real home (heaven) back, Is theist, Otherwise all are atheits in this world in the views of a true prophet or saint.
God has just created this whole universe and has handed over the task of helping and guiding the souls who are intrested in going back heaven, To prophets and saints, There is no need to appear in the sky and speak in a loud voice because.. God is also want to keep this universe in a running condition.
If everbody in this world would have become intrested in going back to their real home, Than the work of this total universe would have been stopped immedately. and if this happened than what would be use of creating all this for God ? Actually.. God created this whole universe for the souls to realize the pain of segregation.
There is nobody between God and prophets/saints, For a normal human God's prophets/saints plays the role of God.Instead, God chooses the most improbable and unverifiable way of communication.
He first communicates what he wants to say to arch-angel Jebril. This Jebril is not human. Then, Jebril then has find Mohammed and give God's divine message.
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sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
doesn't address my point.
Both ... figure it out on my own, but with some pointers. Personally, I don't believe in prophets at all, hence the belief that they're not necessary. I don't believe in creation in the Abrahamic sense either. Natural extensions or expansions of Himself, yes.
waitasec
Veteran Member