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Why does God ... ?

Kuzcotopia

If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.

Am I allowed to ask honest questions? That may have been the whole point. . . Based on your low-effort OP, exactly how else is one to respond?
 

Silverscale derg

Active Member
"god" of the bible is evil, he flooded the earth to kill everything in the book yet humans praise him yet when we dragons take the life of a sheep we're somehow so evil. That "god" live on lies. Eating from the tree that would unlock your mind was seen as a sin and he refers to humans as needing a shepherd like a sheep which follows those in front of them without question. The enlightened ones worship other gods and goddesses, one for what they need to call upon. The main gods of the world however are the five base elemental dragon gods
 

NewGuyOnTheBlock

Cult Survivor/Fundamentalist Pentecostal Apostate
Ah, a militant atheist OP.

"Agnostics can do anything if they have something to not believe in"

or

"You're here to save my soul? I'm here to test your faith"

Actually, I'm here to try to discourage others from making the same mistake in life that I made ... and that is ... Putting faith before reason. That will destroy you ... and if you're fortunate, only you.
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
I don't know,

and neither do you.

Next.
Some might consider this clever... but what about the start to questions that are patterned in the same exact way, with a subject matter that has the same exact amount of "proof" to be offered and, indeed, just about the same amount of knowledge to truly be "known" about the subject:

"Why do leprechauns... ?"
"Why do vampires always... ?"
"Why did Cthulu... ?"
"When was the last time unicorns... ?"
"How do dragons... ?"

These questions have just about the same gist as "Why does God... ?" I can't prove for certain that leprechauns don't exist. I mean... pots exist... rainbows exist... and gold exists. All the elements of their lore. In the same way that the lore of God explains that He created the world, and the world is known to exist. The assertions for the existence of leprechauns need be no less ardent. Need they?
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Some might consider this clever... but what about the start to questions that are patterned in the same exact way, with a subject matter that has the same exact amount of "proof" to be offered and, indeed, just about the same amount of knowledge to truly be "known" about the subject:

"Why do leprechauns... ?"
"Why do vampires always... ?"
"Why did Cthulu... ?"
"When was the last time unicorns... ?"
"How do dragons... ?"

These questions have just about the same meaning/importance as "Why does God... ?" I can't prove for certain that leprechauns don't exist. I mean... pots exist... rainbows exist... and gold exists. All the elements of their lore. In the same way that the lore of God explains that He created the world, and the world is known to exist. The assertions for the existence of leprechauns need be no less ardent. Need they?
You don't even have to get into leprechauns to show how ridiculous a why question really is.

Why are we here? And Why does the mustard seed exist? These are impossible questions, I know cause my kids are full of "why" questions, drives me nuts sometimes. At some point a parent/God has to explain themselves? Probably not, I hate to say "cause I said so" but there just aren't answers to why questions far as I can tell.
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
You don't even have to get into leprechauns to show how ridiculous a why question really is.

Why are we here? And Why does the mustard seed exist? These are impossible questions, I know cause my kids are full of "why" questions, drives me nuts sometimes. At some point a parent/God has to explain themselves? Probably not, I hate to say "cause I said so" but there just aren't answers to why questions far as I can tell.

"Why do lightning bolts speed to earth?"
"Why does light illuminate a subject for the human eye's consumption?"
"Why is it when I put pressure on the long arm across a focal point (fulcrum) it is amplified on the other side?"
"Why is it that gear ratios can affect speed without the need for input of a strict multiplication of force?"
"Why do apples that detach from the apple tree fall to the earth?"
"Why do bodies entering the Earth's atmosphere under the sway of gravity experience high amounts of heat?"
"Why is it that the human heart sometimes gives out or goes haywire?"

I can think of a great many "why" questions that have extremely useful "answers" relative to their subject matter. I don't think the human race would have gotten anywhere at all without asking "why?"
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
"Why do lightning bolts speed to earth?"
"Why does light illuminate a subject for the human eye's consumption?"
"Why is it when I put pressure on the long arm across a focal point (fulcrum) it is amplified on the other side?"
"Why is it that gear ratios can affect speed without the need for input of a strict multiplication of force?"
"Why do apples that detach from the apple tree fall to the earth?"
"Why do bodies entering the Earth's atmosphere under the sway of gravity experience high amounts of heat?"
"Why is it that the human heart sometimes gives out or goes haywire?"

I can think of a great many "why" questions that have extremely useful "answers" relative to their subject matter. I don't think the human race would have gotten anywhere at all without asking "why?"
I think your mistaking "why" for "how" questions. How questions are useful.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I don't know,

and neither do you.

Next.
The "I don't know" belongs with "does God do ... ?" or even better "why does ... happen?"

By the time we've decided that God did do something and we're talking about motives, the assumptions-without-justification ship has already sailed.
 

beenherebeforeagain

Rogue Animist
Premium Member
"Why do lightning bolts speed to earth?"
"Why does light illuminate a subject for the human eye's consumption?"
"Why is it when I put pressure on the long arm across a focal point (fulcrum) it is amplified on the other side?"
"Why is it that gear ratios can affect speed without the need for input of a strict multiplication of force?"
"Why do apples that detach from the apple tree fall to the earth?"
"Why do bodies entering the Earth's atmosphere under the sway of gravity experience high amounts of heat?"
"Why is it that the human heart sometimes gives out or goes haywire?"

I can think of a great many "why" questions that have extremely useful "answers" relative to their subject matter. I don't think the human race would have gotten anywhere at all without asking "why?"
Rather than ask "why?" a wise professor of physics once suggested that it's more amenable to the scientific approach to ask "How come?"

A subtle difference, which forces the asker and the answerer to think in terms of measurable processes, and to break the question down into more understandable parts:

Not Why do lightning bolts speed to earth, But How Come lightning bolts seem to speed to earth? Do they always? What conditions are happening when they do, and when they don't? What attracts them to where they strike? And so on...
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Why does god need so much worship, praise, reverence, love, fear, etc. Any human who demanded such attention would be ripe for psychotherapy.

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As you bask when your loved ones praise you!
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
I think your mistaking "why" for "how" questions. How questions are useful.
And what is the real difference outside of phrasing?

"Why does lightning form and strike the earth?"
"How does lightning form and strike the earth?"

Don't these two ultimately lead to the same place? In fact, I think you'd ask a "why" first, and then get into the "how." As in: "Why do I see those flashed of light during a storm? Oh... that's lightning... I wonder how it forms?" with that last "how" being interchangeable with "why", really - "I wonder why it forms?" basically the same as "I wonder how it forms?". You seem to be making an entirely unnecessary separation - which I understand as the propensity for any given internet forum poster to "maintain the appearance of correctness at all costs."
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
Rather than ask "why?" a wise professor of physics once suggested that it's more amenable to the scientific approach to ask "How come?"

A subtle difference, which forces the asker and the answerer to think in terms of measurable processes, and to break the question down into more understandable parts:

Not Why do lightning bolts speed to earth, But How Come lightning bolts seem to speed to earth? Do they always? What conditions are happening when they do, and when they don't? What attracts them to where they strike? And so on...
Subtle enough that I, personally, don't care which way it is asked. It's the action of whoever wants to undertake the examination... and not the formulation of the initial question... that truly matters. I could very well ask "To what end does lightning strike the earth?", and if my intentions are to find out how, why, or anything in between, then who cares how I asked the question in the first place? And if they do care so much, perhaps they should examine their own investigative priorities.

But if everyone is so very much more interested in "how" questions, that's okay... I have one:

"How does God do that thing where he shoves a stick up his butt and spins faster than the speed of light?"

Now... someone go ahead and go about proving that God doesn't shove sticks up His butt and spin at the speed of light. Actually, what someone will probably say is "Why is a butt something you believe is attributable to God?" Well... then prove to me that God doesn't have a butt. Prove to me that God doesn't have a stick fetish. Prove to me that God doesn't spin at the speed of light. You can't? Doesn't that prove I am right then? According to a lot of garbage passed off as logic I see around here... you can probably see why one might think it does.
 
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Skwim

Veteran Member
As you bask when your loved ones praise you!
But I don't need it from everyone, and over and over and over again. And I would hope it isn't because I simply exist, but for something in particular I did. Tell me I did a good job if you want, then get on with your life.

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