Why Does Hamas Kill Civilians?

[Samael_Khan]

I think a good question to consider is: if Israel has been oppressing palestinans for decades, how do we expect the palestinians to react?

And why is it that when people are oppressed and suffering, many times other people not involved on ground level with them expect them to turn the other cheek and not retaliate?

What did people expect to happen?

 

[George Washington]

I heard an interesting extensive piece on NPR.
It was about the history of Hamas.
One thing stood out...
Hamas had targeted military until an American-Israeli
Jew massacred 29 adults & children (injuring 125) at
a Hebron mosque. During protests, Israel killed many
more people.

Cave of the Patriarchs massacre - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That was when Hamas began to target civilians.

This doesn't justify anything that anyone does.
It's likely not the only reason Hamas kills civilians.
But it's useful to understand why people feel the
way they do. That can be useful to craft solutions
to conflicts.

I can find 100's of instances where someone does something bad to a group I identify with. Of course, I don't emulate the worst behaviors of the most radical opponents of my groups. So why would Hamas? I really don't think they do either.

I don't think it's useful at all to highlight the Cave of the Patriarch's massacre. In fact, I can think of several reasons why it's counterproductive.

 

[Bthoth]

I can find 100's of instances where someone does something bad to a group I identify with. Of course, I don't emulate the worst behaviors of the most radical opponents of my groups. So why would Hamas? I really don't think they do either.

I don't think it's useful at all to highlight the Cave of the Patriarch's massacre. In fact, I consider it counterproductive.

both sides have done terrible things to the other.

If justice was imposed upon the individuals versus trying to assimilate that all of persons of the opposing side are guilty.

For example: many that are willing to defend palestinians hate US just as much as israelis. It's a very strange phenomena that should be stopped.

 

[Revoltingest]

I can find 100's of instances where someone does something bad to a group I identify with. Of course, I don't emulate the worst behaviors of the most radical opponents of my groups. So why would Hamas? I really don't think they do either.

I don't think it's useful at all to highlight the Cave of the Patriarch's massacre. In fact, I can think of several reasons why it's counterproductive.

It's useful history to show that evil
acts have consequences. Something
Israel & apologists should learn.

 

[George Washington]

It's useful history to show that evil
acts have consequences. Something
Israel & apologists should learn.

I wonder if there should have been consequences for the evil Oct 7 attacks, where parents were slaughtered by hand, in front of their children by willing terrorists working for Hamas.

Then terrorists go and fire rockets into Israel indiscriminately for months, immediately afterwards - but retaliation by Israel is supposed to be 'mild' for all this?

 

[Orbit]

I wonder if there should have been consequences for the evil Oct 7 attacks, where parents were slaughtered by hand, in front of their children by willing terrorists working for Hamas.

Then terrorists go and fire rockets into Israel indiscriminately for months, immediately afterwards - but retaliation by Israel is supposed to be 'mild' for all this?

1,200 were killed by Hamas on Oct 7th. The death toll in Gaza is 15K, mostly Palestinian civilians, and about 6K children. That is disproportionate, and it is collective punishment, which is a war crime.

Also, this didn't start on Oct 7th.

 

[rosends]

using the number of dead has nothing to do with either the definition of disproportionate nor collective punishment and using it to decide what a "war crime" is is likewise incorrect. There are legal standards and understandings -- throwing words around all willy-nilly does a disservice.

 

[Orbit]

using the number of dead has nothing to do with either the definition of disproportionate nor collective punishment and using it to decide what a "war crime" is is likewise incorrect. There are legal standards and understandings -- throwing words around all willy-nilly does a disservice.

Are you serious? This is the same deflection as the official Israeli talking points, and they are ridiculous. I know what the words mean, but more importantly, I can spot the difference between right and wrong.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Oct 7 attacks, where parents were slaughtered by hand, in front of their children by willing terrorists working for Hamas.

Proof?

 

[rosends]

Are you serious? This is the same deflection as the official Israeli talking points, and they are ridiculous. I know what the words mean, but more importantly, I can spot the difference between right and wrong.

Am I serious? Are you asking whether words and concepts have actual meanings? Are you asking whether using the correct words is important? You either don't know what words mean or don't care about misrepresenting the truth.

 

[George Washington]

1,200 were killed by Hamas on Oct 7th. The death toll in Gaza is 15K, mostly Palestinian civilians, and about 6K children. That is disproportionate, and it is collective punishment, which is a war crime.

Also, this didn't start on Oct 7th.

I'm not familiar with any military, in the history of the world, that has gone like-for-like, in battle. Have you ever heard of that?

 

[Orbit]

Am I serious? Are you asking whether words and concepts have actual meanings? Are you asking whether using the correct words is important? You either don't know what words mean or don't care about misrepresenting the truth.

How have I misrepresented the truth?

 

[Revoltingest]

I wonder if there should have been consequences for the evil Oct 7 attacks, where parents were slaughtered by hand, in front of their children by willing terrorists working for Hamas.

That attack was one of many acts that spawned consequences.
It should be seen as part of a larger picture, not in isolation.

Then terrorists go and fire rockets into Israel indiscriminately for months, immediately afterwards - but retaliation by Israel is supposed to be 'mild' for all this?

Israel's indiscriminate rocket barrage has killed
11 times as many as Hamas's.
It's bogus to argue against the suggestion that
Israel should be "mild". The problem is that
Israel is committing many many war crimes.
It's not defense....it's vengeance against
innocent Palestinians.

 

[rosends]

How have I misrepresented the truth?

By making claims that use incorrect language and inapplicable concepts

. That is disproportionate, and it is collective punishment, which is a war crime.

But since, as you said, "I know what the words mean, but more importantly..." you think that something is more important than meaning and which justifies using words in ways not supported by their definition.

 

[Orbit]

By making claims that use incorrect language and inapplicable concepts

. That is disproportionate, and it is collective punishment, which is a war crime.

But since, as you said, "I know what the words mean, but more importantly..." you think that something is more important than meaning and which justifies using words in ways not supported by their definition.

My view about war crimes is corroborated by the UN and several human rights organizations. I’m good with that.

 

[rosends]

My view about war crimes is corroborated by the UN and several human rights organizations. I’m good with that.

When it comes to issues of law I'll stick with lawyers and people who use words precisely.

 

[George Washington]

That attack was one of many acts that spawned consequences.
It should be seen as part of a larger picture, not in isolation.

Israel's indiscriminate rocket barrage has killed
11 times as many as Hamas's.
It's bogus to argue against the suggestion that
Israel should be "mild". The problem is that
Israel is committing many many war crimes.
It's not defense....it's vengeance against
innocent Palestinians.

Some are innocent, but many are also corrupt! Survey finds that 76% of Palestinians support the Oct. 7 massacre:

i24NEWS

www.i24news.tv

I24 News – Bias and Credibility

RIGHT-CENTER BIAS These media sources are slight to moderately conservative in bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words

mediabiasfactcheck.com

Not saying that people should die for holding disgusting opinions (they really shouldn't), but to make it seem like they're purely innocent isn't exactly true either.

 

[Orbit]

Some are innocent, but many are also corrupt! Survey finds that 76% of Palestinians support the Oct. 7 massacre:

i24NEWS

www.i24news.tv

I24 News – Bias and Credibility

RIGHT-CENTER BIAS These media sources are slight to moderately conservative in bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words

mediabiasfactcheck.com

Not saying that people should die for holding disgusting opinions (they really shouldn't), but to make it seem like they're purely innocent isn't exactly true either.

Well, if Israelis were dropping bombs on your people, and killing kids in the West Bank, they probably would say that, out of anger.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Some are innocent, but many are also corrupt! Survey finds that 76% of Palestinians support the Oct. 7 massacre:

i24NEWS

www.i24news.tv

I24 News – Bias and Credibility

RIGHT-CENTER BIAS These media sources are slight to moderately conservative in bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words

mediabiasfactcheck.com

Not saying that people should die for holding disgusting opinions (they really shouldn't), but to make it seem like they're purely innocent isn't exactly true either.

Translation:

"I don't want to outright SAY that people deserve to die because of their opinions, I'll just heavily imply it."

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Some are innocent, but many are also corrupt! Survey finds that 76% of Palestinians support the Oct. 7 massacre:

i24NEWS

www.i24news.tv

I24 News – Bias and Credibility

RIGHT-CENTER BIAS These media sources are slight to moderately conservative in bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words

mediabiasfactcheck.com

Not saying that people should die for holding disgusting opinions (they really shouldn't), but to make it seem like they're purely innocent isn't exactly true either.

This ancient psychopath was featured in a glowing New York Post article that whitewashed his terrorist past, such as by describing the terrorist group he was part of as a "paramilitary" group. Interesting example of media misleading people, and how "terrorist" is used as a weaponized smear term.

Israeli veteran, 95, rallies troops to 'erase' Palestinian children

Ezra Yachin, who was involved in the 1948 Deir Yassin massacre, tells troops 'these animals can no longer live', referring to Palestinians

www.middleeasteye.net

I got plenty more where that came from.