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Why does Hell have to be so terrible?

james2ko

Well-Known Member
Biblically, the words translated as or associated with "hell" are "sheol"/"hades" -which refer to the grave, "tartaros" -which is the place or state of restraint of the sinning angels, and "gehenna" -which is actually the name of a place outside Jerusalem where trash was continually burned, but refers to the lake of fire into which the beast and false prophet are cast first -Satan also about a thousand years later -and men whose works make them deserving of such in God's view.

Thanks for elaborating. There are many who get the three types of hell confused. The point I was expressing was that the hell spoken of in scripture is not an eternal punishment and torture of unrepentant human souls, as so commonly taught today, it will be a total cessation of physical life (Rom 6:23) via the lake of fire (Rev 20:14) the second death. Satan and his demons will be the ones suffering eternal torment (Rev 20:10).
 

ninerbuff

godless wonder
I was educated in Catholic schools entirely through my childhood and it struck me that Hell was such a terrible overkill and often disproportionate to the sins committed. What do other Christians and non Christians think of this? How can they justify the existence of such of horrible place by a so called compassionated God?
IMHO It would be worse than a ruthless Judge sentencing you to 1000 lashes because you called him "a bit of a duffer".
It's about control. That's all.
 

Midnight Pete

Well-Known Member
If hell did not exist, the Passion of Jesus would have been for nothing. A waste of lumber and nails. If there is no hell, there can be no Satan. And if there's no Satan, man cannot sin. And it was for the sins of mankind that Jesus was crucified. Why would he have gone to the cross if there was nothing to atone for?
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
My considered opinion of why people thought up hell is to scare people into believing. The Bible never says that "hell" is a literal place. Hell mentioned mostly in the New Testament can also be translated into "the grave"- which makes a lot more sense. And this Lake of Fire in Revelation is symbolic (of what, I don't really know, but the rest of Revelation is totally symbolic.
And since Jews don't believe in any eternal roasting, I just dismiss the thought. :)

I believe hell to be a separation from God.
 

Rhi_bran_y_hud

New Member
If God is love, then there must be a Hell. And it would have to be that bad.

(Though I'm not sure what you are imagining when I say "that bad." You could thinking of something from Dante or Milton, but I am thinking of the sheer horror of a lake of fire. It is simple and brutal.)

If God is love, then those who reject Him reject love and all the benefits that go with it. Some may be tempted to think that if someone wanted nothing to do with God then it would be fair for Him to send the person away to some descent place for eternity so that everybody would be happy. But what right do any of us have to any good from God in the first place? Hell is the only place where there is no good, there is no love, there is no hope because those there have rejected the source of all those things. Isn't it a terrifying thing to realize that God does respect our person-hood, the decisions we make? Hell is testimony to that.

So someone who calls God an "old duffer" has really committed the root of all sin: rejecting the God who is love.

on another note:

. . . the headmistress believes the earth is only 6000years old. . .
Deliberate ignorance of scientific theory is not only stupid but makes one look a bit foolish. But they are often nice people with good hearts with a disability of realising reality. . .

I think you assume too much and put your faith in the wrong places. You likely believe in on old earth (4 billion years old?) because you would need to if you also believe in the theory of evolution.

Here's the rub: it is called a theory and treated as fact. But really, it is only a bad hypothesis because it has not been, and can not be, observed. I am not talking about Natural Selection leading to variation, but the big story of evolution: of particles somehow becoming proteins, and proteins somehow becoming living cells with DNA that can reproduce, and those cells somehow generating brand new genetic information leading to ever more complex creatures until finally, somehow, we evolve.

Yet Natural Selection would hinder this process: it does not help generate new information, but only removes it. Cells don't know how to invent new combinations of DNA. This is all fantasy. If you know the scientific method, then you should know that evolution can't be called a theory: it doesn't even make it past the observation stage.

You likely base your belief in an old earth on radio isotope dating (I did too). But that rests on many faulty assumptions: do we know how much of each isotope was present to begin with? do we know if nothing contaminated the sample? do we know that decay rates were always the same and that there nothing that could alter them?

I do not think we can hold evolution equal with hard scientific knowledge. If we do, we feel obligated to constantly reconcile our religion with so-called facts that can and do change. If we go down the road of trying to believe in our religion as well as evolution in the name of "not ignoring the facts," then you will find (as I did) that you will have to continually ignore many other things, both scientific and scriptural, along the way as you form what becomes your very own religious science.

So with a straight face I can tell that the earth is young, 6 to 10 thousand years old perhaps.
 

Beta

Well-Known Member
Because that's what it's like when you're separated from the love of God for all eternity. People choose this fate for themselves all the time, so why all the whinging? You should be proud of yourselves for defying God to the very end, if you are so pleased with yourselves for being atheists and anti-christs.
I don't know who you are addressing this to but eternal hell is not a biblical teaching. Whoever ends up in the lake of fire will burn up , they will not suffer eternally Mal.4v3, they will be ashes under the feet of the saints.
One does not have to be an atheist to believe truth.
 

St Giordano Bruno

Well-Known Member
This is the Hell from the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which is the Hell I was taught as a child.
From this source
1034 Jesus often speaks of "Gehenna" of "the unquenchable fire" reserved for those who to the end of their lives refuse to believe and be converted, where both soul and body can be lost.[612] Jesus solemnly proclaims that he "will send his angels, and they will gather . . . all evil doers, and throw them into the furnace of fire,"[613] and that he will pronounce the condemnation: "Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire!"[614]
1035 The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, "eternal fire."[615] The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.
1036 The affirmations of Sacred Scripture and the teachings of the Church on the subject of hell are a call to the responsibility incumbent upon man to make use of his freedom in view of his eternal destiny. They are at the same time an urgent call to conversion: "Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few."[616] Since we know neither the day nor the hour, we should follow the advice of the Lord and watch constantly so that, when the single course of our earthly life is completed, we may merit to enter with him into the marriage feast and be numbered among the blessed, and not, like the wicked and slothful servants, be ordered to depart into the eternal fire, into the outer darkness where "men will weep and gnash their teeth."[617]
1037 God predestines no one to go to hell;[618] for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end. In the Eucharistic liturgy and in the daily prayers of her faithful, the Church implores the mercy of God, who does not want "any to perish, but all to come to repentance":[619] Father, accept this offering from your whole family. Grant us your peace in this life, save us from final damnation, and count us among those you have chosen.[620]

IMHO Of all the Gods the God of the Catholic Church is about the most sadistic of the whole lot
 
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Midnight Pete

Well-Known Member
God sent His only son to die horribly for our sins so that we could have eternal life and be redeemed. We don't deserve God's grace, but that is what He offers through His Son. Consider the crucixion for a moment. The brutality of it. The cruelty of it, how the Lamb's suffering was drawn out as long as possible. And why did they do this to him? What was his crime? And then consider what we do to each other on a daily basis, all over the world. The human race is disgusting. The human race is sadistic. We were destroyed by a flood once already ...
 

St Giordano Bruno

Well-Known Member
God sent His only son to die horribly for our sins so that we could have eternal life and be redeemed. We don't deserve God's grace, but that is what He offers through His Son. Consider the crucixion for a moment. The brutality of it. The cruelty of it, how the Lamb's suffering was drawn out as long as possible. And why did they do this to him? What was his crime? And then consider what we do to each other on a daily basis, all over the world. The human race is disgusting. The human race is sadistic. We were destroyed by a flood once already ...

Which suffering do you believe would feel the worst, the way Jesus suffered when he was crucified or a soul dammed in Hell?
 
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