Why does the Church pass over Passover?

[roger1440]

The understanding of the "Last Supper" and Passover is of utmost importance to the understanding of the “New Covenant”. Jesus and his motley crew did not get together that evening for an all-night poker game with beer and pretzels. The canonical Gospel writers had put a new spin on the Passover meal. This new spin ushered in the “New Covenant”. Without Passover there would not be any “Last Supper”. The Church down plays the significance of Passover. What’s up with that?

 

[CMike]

Lol that was funny.

 

[roger1440]

Lol that was funny.

If you think about it, pretzels are probably kosher for Passover. They are unleavened. I don’t know about the beer.

 

[Desert Snake]

Which Church...

 

[roger1440]

Which Church...

This forum is the best example I can come up with. How many Christians have started a thread on Passover? I don’t know of any. If there is any at all, I would have to sift through years and years of threads to find one. How many Christians have started a thread on the “New Covenant”? Probably many. Yet, this “New Covenant” started during a Passover meal. Do most Christians plain forget about this?

 

[Tumah]

What exactly should they do? Their paschal lamb is already a Pascal Lamb. The whole point of the NT is that G-d passed over the Mosaic Law, so leavened bread wouldn't be an issue. What would they do for Passover?

Pretzels could be made to be kosher for Passover. I don't think beer can be. Apparently if you mix four and water together, it develops leavening on its own.

 

[Levite]

It seems to me that Christianity is Christianity: they have their own holidays. Jesus was not a Christian, but a Jew, and celebrated Jewish holidays. If Christians truly were just like Jesus was, they wouldn't be Christians, they would be Jews. But they aren't like Jesus, they are like what they believe Jesus wishes them to be, if I understand correctly.

So instead of Passover, they have Easter, which in many other languages tends to be called something like Pascha or Pascua or whatnot, reflecting that this is what Christians have in place of Passover now.

Also, maybe one of our resident Eastern Orthodox members will correct me, but I believe many of the Orthodox Christian churches make note of Passover, and have Easter customs derived from Passover concepts, and so forth.

 

[roger1440]

What exactly should they do? Their paschal lamb is already a Pascal Lamb. The whole point of the NT is that G-d passed over the Mosaic Law, so leavened bread wouldn't be an issue. What would they do for Passover?

Pretzels could be made to be kosher for Passover. I don't think beer can be. Apparently if you mix four and water together, it develops leavening on its own.

Let’s take the New Testament off the table and deal strictly with the books that deal with the Last Supper, (the four Gospels and a few verses in 1st Corinthians). Many of the other books have nothing to do with the Last Supper. Also, each Gospel is sufficient onto itself. What I mean is that we don’t need to read one to understand another. But the Last Supper does require an understanding of Jewish scripture. Without this understanding, the Last Supper is meaningless. As I had mentioned in the past, these Gospels were written by Jews, for Jews using Jewish theology.

 

[Desert Snake]

Let’s take the New Testament off the table and deal strictly with the books that deal with the Last Supper, (the four Gospels and a few verses in 1st Corinthians). Many of the other books have nothing to do with the Last Supper. Also, each Gospel is sufficient onto itself. What I mean is that we don’t need to read one to understand another. But the Last Supper does require an understanding of Jewish scripture. Without this understanding, the Last Supper is meaningless. As I had mentioned in the past, these Gospels were written by Jews, for Jews using Jewish theology.[/quote]

The way in which Xianity grew outside of Israel (correct me if i'm wrong) rather than within Israel strikes me as odd, Though of course The Holy Land and the m.east have early Xian Churches

 

[roger1440]

The way in which Xianity grew outside of Israel (correct me if i'm wrong) rather than within Israel strikes me as odd, Though of course The Holy Land and the m.east have early Xian Churches

The canonical Gospels were never meant for Gentiles.

 

[roger1440]

If you know me by now, I am leading up to something, LOL. In order to follow along there is a prerequisite, Forget everything you ever heard about the New Testament and the Church. Start fresh. These Gospels read from a metaphoric understanding opens up a whole new meaning. These metaphors are drawn from Jewish scripture.

 

[Desert Snake]

If you know me by now, I am leading up to something, LOL. In order to follow along there is a prerequisite, Forget everything you ever heard about the New Testament and the Church. Start fresh. These Gospels read from a metaphoric understanding opens up a whole new meaning. These metaphors are drawn from Jewish scripture.

Waiting...

 

[roger1440]

Waiting...

In a way doesn’t the destination equal to the journey taken? To put it another way, the work we put into our journey equates to where we arrive.

 

[Tumah]

Let’s take the New Testament off the table and deal strictly with the books that deal with the Last Supper, (the four Gospels and a few verses in 1st Corinthians). Many of the other books have nothing to do with the Last Supper. Also, each Gospel is sufficient onto itself. What I mean is that we don’t need to read one to understand another. But the Last Supper does require an understanding of Jewish scripture. Without this understanding, the Last Supper is meaningless. As I had mentioned in the past, these Gospels were written by Jews, for Jews using Jewish theology.

Maybe. But if it uses familiar theological concepts, it uses them as a springboard to offer replacement theology. That is the entire basis of the "new covenant." Whether you say the "old" was fulfilled or whatever, the "new" way is meant to replace the old way. And Passover was the old way.

 

[roger1440]

Maybe. But if it uses familiar theological concepts, it uses them as a springboard to offer replacement theology. That is the entire basis of the "new covenant." Whether you say the "old" was fulfilled or whatever, the "new" way is meant to replace the old way. And Passover was the old way.

Please don’t say “you”. I’m not part of them. I don’t know how to say it any other way, the Church is wrong.

 

[Tumah]

Please don’t say “you”. I’m not part of them. I don’t know how to say it any other way, the Church is wrong.

Sorry I didn't actually mean you, I meant "people", It's just how you say it sometimes.

I'm not sure how you are addressing my point though.

 

[Desert Snake]

Sorry I didn't actually mean you, I meant "people", It's just how you say it sometimes.

I'm not sure how you are addressing my point though.

I think I can address that somewhat....Christians vary in belief, more than it would seem at first, you have everything from anti-Old testament Christians to Xians who use the OT as much as the NT and everything inbetween/

 

[roger1440]

The “New Covenant” is a direct reference to Jeremiah 31:31-34. These verses imply the Jews will be taught by God not by a book, scroll, priest or rabbi. The New Testament can not accomplish that.

 

[roger1440]

I think I can address that somewhat....Christians vary in belief, more than it would seem at first, you have everything from anti-Old testament Christians to Xians who use the OT as much as the NT and everything inbetween/

I’m not your garden variety Christian. The canonical Gospels are not about some 2000 year old dead Jew. The Jesus of Matthew, Mark and Luke represents a sinless Israel. The Israel that never went astray.

 

[InChrist]

The understanding of the "Last Supper" and Passover is of utmost importance to the understanding of the “New Covenant”. Jesus and his motley crew did not get together that evening for an all-night poker game with beer and pretzels. The canonical Gospel writers had put a new spin on the Passover meal. This new spin ushered in the “New Covenant”. Without Passover there would not be any “Last Supper”. The Church down plays the significance of Passover. What’s up with that?

I don't think it is that the church down plays the significance of Passover as much as it is that the church now highlights the significance of Jesus Christ as the Lamb of God whose shed blood brings deliverance from death and provides eternal life to all who come to Him to be saved.