Desert Snake
Veteran Member
I think both are honoured in the eastern churches.....fact is I wouldn't have a clue as to why some churches don't observe Passover, then again what is the reason to, as well.
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Why does the Church pass over Passover?
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I think both are honoured in the eastern churches.....fact is I wouldn't have a clue as to why some churches don't observe Passover, then again what is the reason to, as well.
roger1440
I do stuff
Passover commemorates Israels journey from slavery and its arrival to the promise land. The Last Supper is culmination of that journey. The sacrifice of Jesus is the sacrifice of ones will for the will of God. By doing so, God is with us. When God is with us, we are then taught by God.
I can't say this enough times, Jesus is Israel.
I can't say this enough times, Jesus is Israel.
InChrist
Free4ever
I believe many Christians believe everything God did during His interactions with the nation of Israel was extremely significant and still is, although I can't speak for all the various church denominations. I think Bible believing Christians see the Passover and escape of the children of Israel from Egypt as a foreshadow or picture of the future work of Christ to provide an escape from sin and death.
InChrist
Free4ever
I have never heard that before. How did you come to the understanding that Jesus is Israel?
roger1440
I do stuff
Isn't Jesus God's son
IHaveTheGift
U know who U R
Sorry I didn't actually mean you, I meant "people", It's just how you say it sometimes.
I try to use "one" when discussing people in a default manner.
Solves all issues...
"If one celebrates Passover, how should he do it?"
No, I am not asking, just giving advice on the "one" method
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Yep. According to the Bible.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
I try to use "one" when discussing people in a default manner.
Solves all issues...
"If one celebrates Passover, how should he do it?"
No, I am not asking, just giving advice on the "one" method
Hard habit to break, but yeah, probably better for discussions.
Personally, I like the 'you' vernacular, don't mind when people use it with me, but some people get confused by it's usage.
roger1440
I do stuff
The Gospel of Matthew writes of 12 fulfillments. These fulfilments are not prophesies. They are reenactments.
where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: "Out of Egypt I called my son."(Matthew 2:15)
InChrist
Free4ever
Are you equating the Person of Jesus with the nation of Israel? I'm just trying to understand what exactly you mean when you say Jesus is Israel.
roger1440
I do stuff
Yes.
And who is God's suffering servant?
InChrist
Free4ever
Thanks for your reply, but I'm getting really tired and need to go to sleep now. I'll give this some thought and try to get back when I have an opportunity to do so.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
roger1440
I do stuff
When Israel is sinless, holy and righteous it is born from above and below. That is the true meaning behind the virgin birth. The virgin birth is not about some hot Jewish chick getting knocked up without a man. The Star of David represents the same. One triangle pointing above, the other down.
roger1440
I do stuff
God's suffering servant is both Israel and Jesus. They are one in the same.
Tumah
Veteran Member
If you are referring to this:
Then, I don't think so. Passover commemorates our redemption from slavery. I can't recall it being connected to arriving in the land of Israel, as the first Passover was held 40 years before that. Ultimately, because the place we are meant to fulfill the Law is in Israel. But in that respect, Passover is no different than any of the other major holidays.
We do have a concept of nullifying one's will for the Will of G-d, but I've never heard it framed in the context of a sacrifice. I never thought about it, but I think in context of Jewish thought, sacrifice is not a matter of giving something up as much as it is about becoming closer although the latter may sometimes necessitate the former.
Also, I've never heard of the idea of being taught by G-d when G-d is with us. There is a concept of being taught by certain angels, but that is more on an individual basis than a national.
I guess I would say although there is nothing here specifically in opposition to Jewish belief, it isn't found within it either.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
During the Eucharist and during Easter we are remembering Jesus.
Jesus said that we should do this in remembrance of him.
He did not say we should do it in remembrance of the passover. (that would be replacement theology)
It is true Jesus was a Jew, living and acting as Jews did.
However what he taught certainly applies to Christian gentiles (and I would suggest that he intended them to apply to Jews too)
When you read the Didache, it is clear that although those first gentile Christians were taught and mentored about the lords prayer, baptism, the Eucharist, and how to respond to their new status as Christians, they were taught nothing about circumcision, Jewish law or other traditions.
In a single generation these new Jewish-Christian communities had devised a training programme for their gentile converts. It formed the new Christian Tradition, that bore little resemblance to its Jewish forebears.
Christianity has done it self no favours by trying to justify itself by Jewish prophecies.
Christianity is fully justified by the Life work, death and resurrection of Jesus.
Replacement theology is an anathema.
Jesus said that we should do this in remembrance of him.
He did not say we should do it in remembrance of the passover. (that would be replacement theology)
It is true Jesus was a Jew, living and acting as Jews did.
However what he taught certainly applies to Christian gentiles (and I would suggest that he intended them to apply to Jews too)
When you read the Didache, it is clear that although those first gentile Christians were taught and mentored about the lords prayer, baptism, the Eucharist, and how to respond to their new status as Christians, they were taught nothing about circumcision, Jewish law or other traditions.
In a single generation these new Jewish-Christian communities had devised a training programme for their gentile converts. It formed the new Christian Tradition, that bore little resemblance to its Jewish forebears.
Christianity has done it self no favours by trying to justify itself by Jewish prophecies.
Christianity is fully justified by the Life work, death and resurrection of Jesus.
Replacement theology is an anathema.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
the passover commemorates the angel flying over the houses of the hebrews.
the 'lords evening meal' commemorates the sacrifical death Christ suffered on behalf of mankind.
Are you asking why christians don't commemorate the angel flying over the hebrews houses??
InChrist
Free4ever
Do you believe Jesus is Israel because of passages such as Exodus 4:22-23 or Hosea 11:1?