Why does YHWH desire blood sacrifices?

[Rakhel]

Yet God is quite clear on what to sacrifice and when.

Again, it doesn't matter.

Do you pray because you have to? Do you pray longer than the person sitting next to you thinking G-d will listen to you more because of it?

 

[Thief]

And the question remains....why does YHWH desire blood sacrifices?

So far, a bit too much on Man and motivation...not enough on God.

I mention Cain and Abel as this would be the apparent starting point of such practice.

The Book does not say ....'why'.

What gain is made...that any such practice is made.

Cain and Abel were attempting to do what?...draw God's attention?
Cain's attempt did not fail to that effect.
God and Cain did converse afterward.

And more to the point...what does God gain?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

And the question remains....why does YHWH desire blood sacrifices?

Asking leading questions says more about you than about Torah.

 

[Thief]

Asking leading questions says more about you than about Torah.

Did you want to lead?
THAT says the same about you.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Did you want to lead?

No, I want an intellectually honest and informed discussion of Torah. You have a significantly different agenda and it shows.

 

[Thief]

No, I want an intellectually honest and informed discussion of Torah. You have a significantly different agenda and it shows.

Then ...no doubt.....you understand God's desire for blood?

 

[Buttons*]

You know, the Vedic system, from which most modern Hindi religions arose from, did regularly engage in animal sacrifice:

Animal sacrifice in Hinduism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I'm only saying that I'm not sure any religion is exempt from drawing blood for sacrificial reasons.

 

[Levite]

You know, the Vedic system, from which most modern Hindi religions ascribe to, did regularly engage in animal sacrifice:

Animal sacrifice in Hinduism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I'm only saying that I'm not sure any religion is exempt from drawing blood for sacrificial reasons.

Jainism. I think they win the ultimate extreme nonviolence prize.

 

[Buttons*]

Jainism. I think they win the ultimate extreme nonviolence prize.

Yeah, I see what ya did there.

Though, it would also seem that such a deep asceticism is, in a way a call for sacrifice. (With their own flesh, not necessarily that of others.)

 

[Levite]

Though, it would also seem that such a deep asceticism is, in a way a call for sacrifice. (With their own flesh, not necessarily that of others.)

You say tomato, I say ahimsa...

 

[Buttons*]

You say tomato, I say ahimsa...

I said ascetic... which is a kind of sacrifice... didn't realize it sounded anything like tomato

 

[Gaura Priya]

You know, the Vedic system, from which most modern Hindi religions arose from, did regularly engage in animal sacrifice:

Animal sacrifice in Hinduism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I'm only saying that I'm not sure any religion is exempt from drawing blood for sacrificial reasons.

Yes, but this is highly debated with, whether the animal sacrifices where metaphorical, or a misunderstanding of the word 'ashvamedha'. Furthermore, Vaishnavism is apart from Shaktism - Hinduism is a misnomer, as it is more of an umbrella of different religious systems under a common culture or language of shared terminology.

I am a Vaishnava, and have completely different beliefs, goals, meditations, Scriptures, etc. than Shaktas who engage in blood sacrifices in villages and become possessed by 'Durgadevi' while drinking blood from live animals. As far as Indian religions go, Vaishnavism, and maybe Shaivism, as well as Jainism and Sikhism do not engage in animal slaughtering. Lord Vishnu has never the slaughtering of animals in sacrifice unto Him, or people for that matter.

 

[Pegg]

You might be pleased to know that the prophets were clear that sacrificing animals was not something that made God especially happy

Hosea 6:6 “In loving-kindness I have taken delight, and not in sacrifice; and in the knowledge of God rather than in whole burnt offerings.”

Isaiah 1:11 “Of what benefit to me is the multitude of your sacrifices? . . . I have had enough of whole burnt offerings of rams and the fat of well-fed animals; and in the blood of young bulls and male lambs and he-goats I have taken no delight.”

Psalm 40:6 Sacrifice and offering you did not delight in; These ears of mine you opened up. Burnt offering and sin offering you did not ask for.

Psalm 51:16 For you do not take delight in sacrifice—otherwise I would give [it]; In whole burnt offering you do not find pleasure

The reason why God allowed animal sacrifices under the Mosaic Law was because mankind had already been offering animal sacrifices...the first animal sacrifice made was by Able... it seems that mankind always knew that the only way they could be redeemed from sin and death was by a sacrifice. They believed it was the way to make peace with God, even though he didnt asked for it.

The animal sacrifices under the Mosaic Law actually typified the sacrifice that Jehovah God would provide in behalf of mankind. Jesus referred to this sacrifice at John 3:16 when he said: “God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.”

The reason why christians did not institute animal sacrifices was because God had made the one sacrifice that mankind needed to make atonment for their own sins...Jesus Christs blood covers all of mankind for their sin and it is through faith in Jesus shed blood that we can approach Jehovah. So christians came to see the blood sacrifices were not what God wanted...what he really wanted was to make a sacrifice on our behalf so that we could be saved....and thats exactly what he did.

 

[Thief]

You might be pleased to know that the prophets were clear that sacrificing animals was not something that made God especially happy

Hosea 6:6 “In loving-kindness I have taken delight, and not in sacrifice; and in the knowledge of God rather than in whole burnt offerings.”

Isaiah 1:11 “Of what benefit to me is the multitude of your sacrifices? . . . I have had enough of whole burnt offerings of rams and the fat of well-fed animals; and in the blood of young bulls and male lambs and he-goats I have taken no delight.”

Psalm 40:6 Sacrifice and offering you did not delight in; These ears of mine you opened up. Burnt offering and sin offering you did not ask for.

Psalm 51:16 For you do not take delight in sacrifice—otherwise I would give [it]; In whole burnt offering you do not find pleasure

The reason why God allowed animal sacrifices under the Mosaic Law was because mankind had already been offering animal sacrifices...the first animal sacrifice made was by Able... it seems that mankind always knew that the only way they could be redeemed from sin and death was by a sacrifice. They believed it was the way to make peace with God, even though he didnt asked for it.

The animal sacrifices under the Mosaic Law actually typified the sacrifice that Jehovah God would provide in behalf of mankind. Jesus referred to this sacrifice at John 3:16 when he said: “God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.”

The reason why christians did not institute animal sacrifices was because God had made the one sacrifice that mankind needed to make atonment for their own sins...Jesus Christs blood covers all of mankind for their sin and it is through faith in Jesus shed blood that we can approach Jehovah. So christians came to see the blood sacrifices were not what God wanted...what he really wanted was to make a sacrifice on our behalf so that we could be saved....and thats exactly what he did.

This flops one way and then the other.

First a discussion all the way back to Adam and the apparent mistake of offering blood sacrifices to appease God.

Then Someone has to die to save us?...yet another bloody sacrifice to appease God?

So now....back to the original question....
Why did God want blood spilled?

 

[Pegg]

This flops one way and then the other.

First a discussion all the way back to Adam and the apparent mistake of offering blood sacrifices to appease God.

Then Someone has to die to save us?...yet another bloody sacrifice to appease God?

So now....back to the original question....
Why did God want blood spilled?

when Adam sinned, he was sentenced to death for the wrong he had committed. He paid with his life because sin is deserving of death.

We inherited death as an indirect result. Adams descendants knew that they were going to die too... but they didnt want to... they mistakenly thought that perhaps if they offered an animals blood, it could redeem their own life. they did this because they knew that Gods perfect justice required the death of the sinner. But they soon realised that animals were not valuable enough to cover their own sins because animals are not created in Gods image.

God knew that only a perfect human life could cover the sins of mankind. And thats why he purposed to send his own son. God doesnt create laws for everyone else and expect us to live by them...he also lives by them. So he had to suffer the loss of his son in order to save us because 'life for life' is what perfect justice required.

 

[Thief]

when Adam sinned, he was sentenced to death for the wrong he had committed. He paid with his life because sin is deserving of death.

We inherited death as an indirect result. Adams descendants knew that they were going to die too... but they didnt want to... they mistakenly thought that perhaps if they offered an animals blood, it could redeem their own life. they did this because they knew that Gods perfect justice required the death of the sinner. But they soon realised that animals were not valuable enough to cover their own sins because animals are not created in Gods image.

God knew that only a perfect human life could cover the sins of mankind. And thats why he purposed to send his own son. God doesnt create laws for everyone else and expect us to live by them...he also lives by them. So he had to suffer the loss of his son in order to save us because 'life for life' is what perfect justice required.

The first two paragraph speak of mistake....
The last paragraph confounds the first.

So God...after so many generations would require blood....

 

[Pegg]

The first two paragraph speak of mistake....
The last paragraph confounds the first.

So God...after so many generations would require blood....

well he wouldnt require anything... he could have just left us to our own devices and permitted mankind to go on suffering and dying until we finally got to a stage where we destroyed ourselves completely....

but he chose to save what was lost. that is why it is called the 'free gift of salvation'

and it came at great cost to himself because divine justice required 'life for life' to balance the scales of what Adam lost. If you owe someone $100, you have to pay back $100 dollars...$20 wont be enough, will it. So Adam lost a perfect human life, so it would take a perfect human life to buy back what was lost.

 

[Thief]

well he wouldnt require anything... he could have just left us to our own devices and permitted mankind to go on suffering and dying until we finally got to a stage where we destroyed ourselves completely....

but he chose to save what was lost. that is why it is called the 'free gift of salvation'

and it came at great cost to himself because divine justice required 'life for life' to balance the scales of what Adam lost. If you owe someone $100, you have to pay back $100 dollars...$20 wont be enough, will it. So Adam lost a perfect human life, so it would take a perfect human life to buy back what was lost.

I would call this a Christian rant....and a poor one.

I've written quite a bit about sin and blood here of late.
Perhaps a quick review...click my call name and find 'recent posts'.

 

[Chase200mph]

when Adam sinned, he was sentenced to death for the wrong he had committed. He paid with his life because sin is deserving of death.

Answer: This is what you are told by the un-accredited teachers, accountable reasoning shows us that the sin was gods and not Adams’. In this story, god created Adam and Eve, being all powerful, perfect, and all knowing (god must be all these things or god is flawed) god knew Adam would fail because god created him to fail….Adam did only what god allowed him to do or god didn’t know the outcome and therefore was far from perfect. There was no test, god creates a car and then curses him for not being an airplane? God put the tree of life in Adams domain, another failure of god since your god already knew the outcome…this is another sin of god’s.

We inherited death as an indirect result.

Answer: and if all sins were forgiven you, then you are no longer cursed….right?

Adams descendants knew that they were going to die too...

Answer: Which ones, the ones in which Adams sons married the sisters?
but they didnt want to... they mistakenly thought that perhaps if they offered an animals blood, it could redeem their own life.
Answer: Source? Please quote this from your source…..

they did this because they knew that Gods perfect justice required the death of the sinner.

Answer: The perfect Beings sin…..

But they soon realised that animals were not valuable enough to cover their own sins because animals are not created in Gods image.

Answer: No, animals don’t kill because another animal has a different belief….

God knew that only a perfect human life could cover the sins of mankind. And thats why he purposed to send his own son.

Answer: So this perfect human Being is sent to earth, and nearing the end of his life of turmoil (33 years old) he is put to death. So his turmoil ends and he ascends back to a domain where there is no pain and or turmoil. So in this story the sacrifice of Jesus is in being born, and his salvation and relief is in his execution…..it’s not rocket science.

God doesnt create laws for everyone else and expect us to live by them...he also lives by them.
Answer: OK, the 633 Jewish laws that your Jesus spoke of and said to follow. Mathew and Luke say you have to sell everything and THEN follow Jesus….you are doing all of this right?

So he had to suffer the loss of his son in order to save us because 'life for life' is what perfect justice required.

Answer: I see, so you didn’t see that pedestrian in the sidewalk and her family has the right to kill you know…right? You don’t seem to understand justice either…..

AND Thief is right, your last statement supports the need to spill blood!

 

[outhouse]

chase please learn how to use the quote function