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Why doesn't God kill unbelievers today?

Buddha Dharma

Dharma Practitioner
Citations needed. Make sure you list scripture separately and from which books you obtained them.

Numbers 16:1-2 One day Korah son of Izhar, a descendant of Kohath son of Levi, conspired with Dathan and Abiram, the sons of Eliab, and On son of Peleth, from the tribe of Reuben. They incited a rebellion against Moses, along with 250 other leaders of the community, all prominent members of the assembly.

Continue through the chapter and stop at verse 20, because I'd like to point out something the text claims about God. It claims he wanted to wipe out everyone present for the rebellion of some. This is the deity monotheists worship according to their own book! Moses and Aaron had to talk God into only destroying the wrong-doers and not everybody. Continue through Numbers 16 and see...

As for the Koranic account I'm referring to. It's in Surah 2- the Sura of the Cow. It says that the Israelites challenged Moses and said they wouldn't believe him until Allah brought a clear sign- so lightning and thunder overtook them as they looked on.
 

Buddha Dharma

Dharma Practitioner
The ancient nation of Israel's purpose was to demonstrate several matters, some of law, some of action, interaction. With God's interaction with this nation, God illustrated to all how he acts toward obedient people, disobedient people, how he protects them, how he punishes them - in regard to them obeying his law, or disobeying.
As we are told:
1 Corinthians 10:11 Now these things went on befalling them as examples, and they were written for a warning to us upon whom the ends of the systems of things have arrived.

Okay, so you're going with the answer that God has changed from killing people as examples to this?
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
The Bible and Koran both contain accounts of God killing unbelievers for idolatry, apostasy, and blasphemy. The Bible says God made the earth swallow up some Jews for doubting Moses.

Why does God not today do this- if indeed that god is never-changing?

Why doesn't God make the earth swallow up atheists and other unbelievers? Why doesn't God consume people with a glance?

Is it that God has changed? God has lost his power somewhere? Or this God- the god of monotheism, doesn't exist?
Personally, I see a direct contradiction between the claims that such a God exists and that he is supremely moral.

I can only assume that at some level the early Abrahamists realized that as well and decided not to pursue the matter.
 

Grandliseur

Well-Known Member
Okay, so you're going with the answer that God has changed from killing people as examples to this?
The warnings are given so that those who pay heed and take steps to obey may live. The ones who are found wicked at the end shall all die. While I cannot say that all who die will be eternally dead, some may be resurrected, the indication I find is that around 90% of the global human population shall die in the coming wars, and in the final Armageddon. While obedient Christians have been given a kind of guarantee of survival, it seems other non wicked people may do so also but in this there is no guarantee, only interpretation.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
While obedient Christians have been given a kind of guarantee of survival
There isn't a chosen people from a religious belief according to the text; there are those selected who've lived according to the teachings of Yeshua, and who've accepted the Marvelous Work of the Lord.

Take into account: if we claim something that isn't ours, as our own without permission, that is called theft. ;)

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
The Bible and Koran both contain accounts of God killing unbelievers for idolatry, apostasy, and blasphemy. The Bible says God made the earth swallow up some Jews for doubting Moses.

Why does God not today do this- if indeed that god is never-changing?

Why doesn't God make the earth swallow up atheists and other unbelievers? Why doesn't God consume people with a glance?

Is it that God has changed? God has lost his power somewhere? Or this God- the god of monotheism, doesn't exist?

I choose your last option
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
The Bible and Koran both contain accounts of God killing unbelievers for idolatry, apostasy, and blasphemy. The Bible says God made the earth swallow up some Jews for doubting Moses.

Why does God not today do this- if indeed that god is never-changing?

Why doesn't God make the earth swallow up atheists and other unbelievers? Why doesn't God consume people with a glance?

Is it that God has changed? God has lost his power somewhere? Or this God- the god of monotheism, doesn't exist?
Now I don't know what stopped Jesus Christ
From turning every hungry stone into bread
And I don't remember hearing how Moses reacted
When the innocent first born sons lay dead
Well I guess God was a lot more demonstrative
Back when he flamboyantly parted the sea
Now everybody's praying
Don't pray on me

- Bad Religion
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
The Bible and Koran both contain accounts of God killing unbelievers for idolatry, apostasy, and blasphemy. The Bible says God made the earth swallow up some Jews for doubting Moses.

Why does God not today do this- if indeed that god is never-changing?

Why doesn't God make the earth swallow up atheists and other unbelievers? Why doesn't God consume people with a glance?

Is it that God has changed? God has lost his power somewhere? Or this God- the god of monotheism, doesn't exist?


First your going by the old testament of the bible.
So that means you would to know and figure out who exactly are they, that God put to death in the old testament and why.

Those people of Canaanites, Hittites, Amoriites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites,
Are those Fallen Angels of Satan, That seduced women back in
Genesis Chapter 6:1-4.
That came to be Hybrids, Half human and half Celestial beings. They were tall as well had super human strength.

Let's say you took a child that's about 3-4 yrs old and stood them by a person that is about 7-8 foot tall. Now you see how tall they would be, next to full grown man.

This why in the book of Numbers 13:32-33
Moses sent two spy's to search out the land and the two spy's came back to report to Moses, what they had seen.
Verse 32--"And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land through which we have gone to search it, is a land the eateth up the inhabitants there of, and the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature.
Verse 33--"And there we saw the Giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the Giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight"

Notice the sons of Anak, Which are Canaanites by birth.
These are those which God had put to death, because of their seducing human women back in Genesis chapter 6:1-4

Which became Hybrids half human and half Celestial beings.these beings were eating up the inhabitants of the land, which Moses sent two spy's to search out the land.
This is why God had those that were half human and half Celestial beings put to death.
So when people say, God put men,women and children to death, those were not human beings as we are, but half human and half Celestial beings, That were killing the inhabitants of the land and eating them.In the Book of
Numbers 13:32-33

So God had those men, women and children that were half human and half Celestial beings put to death.

These Celestial beings are coming back during the soon coming of the Tribulation, When Satan and his angels are finally cast out of heaven. These angels will go out seducing women again. That will produce half human and half Celestial beings again.

That at that time people will be like grasshoppers in their sight. As did those two spy's in the book of
Numbers 13:32-33
 
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Grandliseur

Well-Known Member
There isn't a chosen people from a religious belief according to the text;
Obviously, we do not read the same text.
1 Peter 2:8-10 . . .” These are stumbling because they are disobedient to the word. To this very end they were also appointed. 9 But YOU are “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that YOU should declare abroad the excellencies” of the one that called YOU out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 For YOU were once not a people, but are now God’s people; YOU were those who had not been shown mercy, but are now those who have been shown mercy.

Ephesians 2:14-16 14 For he is our peace, he who made the two parties one and destroyed the wall in between that fenced them off. 15 By means of his flesh he abolished the enmity, the Law of commandments consisting in decrees, that he might create the two peoples in union with himself into one new man and make peace; 16 and that he might fully reconcile both peoples in one body to God through the torture stake, because he had killed off the enmity by means of himself.​
If you do not accept scripture is not my problem. If you accept it, the teaching is clear. The Christian nation of Jews and Gentiles who righteously obey Christ is that chosen nation of God of modern times.

 

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
The Bible and Koran both contain accounts of God killing unbelievers for idolatry, apostasy, and blasphemy. The Bible says God made the earth swallow up some Jews for doubting Moses.

Why does God not today do this- if indeed that god is never-changing?

Why doesn't God make the earth swallow up atheists and other unbelievers? Why doesn't God consume people with a glance?

Is it that God has changed? God has lost his power somewhere? Or this God- the god of monotheism, doesn't exist?
God changes His actions according to the spiritual maturity of mankind. In the Old Testament, man's spiritual maturity was primitive. Muhammad had them kill polytheists because the polytheists were trying to kill them. That's different from the Old Testament.
 

dfnj

Well-Known Member
The Bible and Koran both contain accounts of God killing unbelievers for idolatry, apostasy, and blasphemy. The Bible says God made the earth swallow up some Jews for doubting Moses.

Why does God not today do this- if indeed that god is never-changing?

Why doesn't God make the earth swallow up atheists and other unbelievers? Why doesn't God consume people with a glance?

Is it that God has changed? God has lost his power somewhere? Or this God- the god of monotheism, doesn't exist?

The Rapture happened in 2000. The people still here are in denial.
 

dfnj

Well-Known Member
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Unbelievers are killed constantly unfortunately not fast enough for my taste.

This kind of statement is exactly why I say religion is full of hate.

My experience has been really bad and evil people enjoy just as many if not more of God's blessings than people who worship the words of the Bible.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
The Bible and Koran both contain accounts of God killing unbelievers for idolatry, apostasy, and blasphemy. The Bible says God made the earth swallow up some Jews for doubting Moses.

Why does God not today do this- if indeed that god is never-changing?

Why doesn't God make the earth swallow up atheists and other unbelievers? Why doesn't God consume people with a glance?

Is it that God has changed? God has lost his power somewhere? Or this God- the god of monotheism, doesn't exist?

I think you may be looking at scriptural accounts where God shows His prophetic power by telling specific people others will be killed. And then, not realizing, that God demands that every human meet death at some point, and that God kills people every day, and that all will be judged on a future day.

Does that help?
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Like, I get that nonbelievers don't feel God's presence. At least their reaction is honest. What fascinates and irritates me is watching theists claim you need a book to learn of God because God can't talk to anyone in any way. I mean, if you aren't getting memos from God, why bother worshipping Him?

I know NO Christian on this Earth who says God ONLY talks through the Bible. I know many who say, "The Bible is the best possible resource to hear the voice of God" or "God talks to people somewhat often, but doesn't contradict the Bible when He does so."
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
God follows human laws? hmm, interesting :D
I think the point was more that "God" can only really kill through people, can't He? Just as He can only really speak through people... can only really "be felt" through people, etc. There's just a whole lot of "people" and not much "God." In the vein of the OP, if things hadn't changed, and God was responsible for (and took responsibility for) killing non-believers of various types, then in this day and age, we'd see more Facebook messages along the lines of:

"Oh teh noes guys! God just struck my neighbor down with a lightning bolt and told me to go to another country, kill all its current inhabitants and claim the land in His name! I might be off of Facebook for a while! :("

Speaking of responsibility... why is it that believers can attribute deaths of various people, or disasters of various types to God, and some kind of "cleansing" He is doing... but yet they basically have to admit in those situations that God doesn't actually take any responsibility at all for any death in modern times? I mean seriously... does God lack the balls to take such responsibility? Does that seem like something characteristic of an almighty being? Just where is He at on this?
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Numbers 16:1-2 One day Korah son of Izhar, a descendant of Kohath son of Levi, conspired with Dathan and Abiram, the sons of Eliab, and On son of Peleth, from the tribe of Reuben. They incited a rebellion against Moses, along with 250 other leaders of the community, all prominent members of the assembly.

Ok, I see no evidence of God killing people in this scripture. So far your assertion is nothing but false opinion, or a lie.

Continue through the chapter and stop at verse 20, because I'd like to point out something the text claims about God. It claims he wanted to wipe out everyone present for the rebellion of some. This is the deity monotheists worship according to their own book! Moses and Aaron had to talk God into only destroying the wrong-doers and not everybody. Continue through Numbers 16 and see...

You have not cited the scripture to back up your assertion. You telling me what your opinion of the scripture says. Not the same thing.
 

dfnj

Well-Known Member
I know many who say, "The Bible is the best possible resource to hear the voice of God"

The Bible is full of evil and obviously was written by men:

No. 1:St Paul’s advice about whether women are allowed to teach men in church:

“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)

No. 2: In this verse, Samuel, one of the early leaders of Israel, orders genocide against a neighbouring people:

“This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)

No. 3: A command of Moses:

“Do not allow a sorceress to live.” (Exodus 22:18)

No. 4: The ending of Psalm 137, a psalm which was made into a disco calypso hit by Boney M, is often omitted from readings in church:

“Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalm 137:9)

No. 5: Another blood-curdling tale from the Book of Judges, where an Israelite man is trapped in a house by a hostile crowd, and sends out his concubine to placate them:

“So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, ‘Get up; let’s go.’ But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.” (Judges 19:25-28)

No. 6: St Paul condemns homosexuality in the opening chapter of the Book of Romans:

“In the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.” (Romans 1:27)

No. 7: In this story from the Book of Judges, an Israelite leader, Jephthah, makes a rash vow to God, which has to be carried out:

“And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord, and said, ‘If you will give the Ammonites into my hand, then whoever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return victorious from the Ammonites, shall be the Lord’s, to be offered up by me as a burnt-offering.’ Then Jephthah came to his home at Mizpah; and there was his daughter coming out to meet him with timbrels and with dancing. She was his only child; he had no son or daughter except her. When he saw her, he tore his clothes, and said, ‘Alas, my daughter! You have brought me very low; you have become the cause of great trouble to me. For I have opened my mouth to the Lord, and I cannot take back my vow.’” (Judges 11:30-1, 34-5)

No. 8: The Lord is speaking to Abraham in this story where God commands him to sacrifice his son:

‘Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt-offering on one of the mountains that I shall show you.’ (Genesis 22:2)

No. 9: “Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:22)

No. 10: “Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)

Submit to your cruel masters slaves because the Bible implies slavery is morally okay!
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
The Bible and Koran both contain accounts of God killing unbelievers for idolatry, apostasy, and blasphemy. The Bible says God made the earth swallow up some Jews for doubting Moses.

Why does God not today do this- if indeed that god is never-changing?

Why doesn't God make the earth swallow up atheists and other unbelievers? Why doesn't God consume people with a glance?

Is it that God has changed? God has lost his power somewhere? Or this God- the god of monotheism, doesn't exist?

God is merciful, too, so maybe he's still giving them a chance to believe. He will destroy the wicked and evil when their time is up. There is still the day of judgment for all even if they live and continue to receive punishment.
 
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