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Why Don't Christians Follow the Bible?

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
I already said why: it supports men-stealing which is a sin. That's like saying it wouldn't be a sin to buy Hitler's gas chambers for him.

I don't follow. All stealing is a sin, isn't it? So stealing men is just like stealing any other property, prohibited. But owning property, including people, isn't prohibited, is it? I mean, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

I don't think it could be more clear that buying and owning slaves is permitted, do you? (As long as they're foreigners, that is.)
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I don't follow. All stealing is a sin, isn't it? So stealing men is just like stealing any other property, prohibited. But owning property, including people, isn't prohibited, is it? I mean, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

I don't think it could be more clear that buying and owning slaves is permitted, do you? (As long as they're foreigners, that is.)

It is the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. God reminds the Jews that they shouldn't keep slaves because they should remember how they groaned in their own slavery. There is another rule that involves justice, you get what you give. If you put a person into salvery you will have to be a slave someday.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
It is the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. God reminds the Jews that they shouldn't keep slaves because they should remember how they groaned in their own slavery. There is another rule that involves justice, you get what you give. If you put a person into salvery you will have to be a slave someday.

The golden rule is excellent, but obviously conflicts with several passages authorizing, sanctioning, and regulating slavery. It appears that at least OT authors only say this rule as applying to fellow Hebrews. Are you referring to this passage?
Remember that you were slaves in Egypt. That is why I command you to do this. (Deut 24.21)If a fellow Hebrew, a man or a woman, sells himself to you and serves you six years, in the seventh year you must let him go free. 13 And when you release him, do not send him away empty-handed. 14 Supply him liberally from your flock, your threshing floor and your winepress. Give to him as the LORD your God has blessed you. 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and the LORD your God redeemed you. That is why I give you this command today.

Did you notice that it only applies to fellow Hebrews, and not to foreign slaves, who may be owned for life and treated as property?
Is there any passage where God actually commands us not to keep slaves? What does Jesus say about slavery? What does the NT say?
 

Kcnorwood

Well-Known Member
I was think while I read some of the newer post when you read the bible from start to finish it needs an R rating. The violence,bloodshed,etc. THen you have the 10 commedments which God himself broke some of the over & over again in the bible.Lets face it the rules that God placed upon man are impossible in this day & age. Things like not working on Sunday etc. Not only doesn't make any sence to follow the bible knowing these things but how can God himself tell someone to follow these rules when he doesnt? Besides the whole working on Sunday doesnt cut it either you work when your told to or you dont work at all.
 

Jimbobbaggins

New Member
The quote previously about slavery being acceptable to non Christians highlights that religion for many believers religious is seen as inclusive, those non-believers are almost to be 'taken advantage' of. If there was a god then surely he would want us all to be treated equally. God loves all his children irrespective of their beliefs...the bible has contraditory advice on this matter. Perhaps this just goes to show how humans have changed the word of god for their own purposes?

Isn't the point about relating to what you do and do not take out of the bible - the pick and mix attitude - simply takes away the point of religion in the first place? Various people throughout history have said things or done things not on religious grounds but purely through some kind of desire to do "good". If you are not going to accept all the tenets of a particular religion then perhaps you may as well follow another system of belief that is not religious - stoicism for example. Christians I sometimes find use the bible as a system of ethics/moral philosophy.
 
Why dont muslims follow very word of the Koran? Why dont hindus follow the Gita? Why dont we all follow all our scriptures, simple. They cannot be used in todays society.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Is there any passage where God actually commands us not to keep slaves? What does Jesus say about slavery? What does the NT say?
In some cases, the keeping of slaves seems to be mandatory. As an example, see this instruction in Exodus 22:3:

A thief must certainly make restitution, but if he has nothing, he must be sold to pay for his theft.
 

Fish-Hunter

Rejoice in the Lord!
I know this has probably come up already in debates, but I’m struggling to find a good response from a Christian to this point –
To start, here is a quote by Pastor Richard Land, advisor to George Bush –
"Biblical truth is truth with a capital T...and it should apply to every area of out lives."
Pastor Land says this, and most Christians believe this, mainly because it says so in the bible itself –

Firstly, it says that the bible is the word of God:


- “It comes from God” (II Timothy 3:16)
- “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness…”(2 Timothy 3:16)
- “For it was not through any human whim that men prophesied of old; men they were, but, impelled by the Holy Spirit, they spoke the words of God.” (2 Peter 1:21)


The bible also says that God’s word is perfect, and doesn’t change:


- "The grass withers; the flower fades; but the word of our God will stand forever." (Isaiah 40:8)
- "The law of the Lord is perfect." (Psalm 19:7)
- “God cannot lie” – (Num. 23:19)
- “And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.” (Luke 16:17)
- “My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.” (Psalms 89:34)
- “All his commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever.” (Psalms 111:7, 8)
- “Sin is the transgressionof the law.” (John 3:4)
- “By the law is the knowledge of sin.” (Romans 3:20)
- “I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.” (Romans 7:7)
- “The Bible can only be proven false if God has lied about his word. However, God is always true” (Romans 3:4)



Therefore, the bible is the word and God, and Christians must obey its words.


If this is the case, why aren’t we killing anyone who works on the Sabbath day? :

- "For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death." (Exodus 31:15)

Why aren't we killing, burning and destroying non-believers? : If a town or place doesn't believe in God the bible says,

- "...you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it."

Why aren't disobideont children killed?:

- "All who curse their father or mother must be put to death." (Leviticus 20:9)
- "For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (Mark 7:9-10)

Why are women allowed to talk in church? :


- "Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask thier own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church." (1 Corinthians 14)
- "Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent." (1 Timothy 2)


Jesus, the Bible and therefore God commands us to follow the bible, so why aren’t Christians? Why are homosexuals persecuted ("If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death." (Leviticus 20:13), then yet people who work on the Sabbath aren’t? It just doesn’t make sense to me.
If Pastor Land says, “Biblical truth is truth with a capital T.” – then why aren’t Christians following every word of? Surely you can’t just pick which verses to follow, yet say all of the bible’s words are true and written by God – where is the logic?

By Pastor Land’s and many other Christian’s logic, we should all be following all of the bible, therefore we have to kill people who work on the Sabbath, and non-believers, as God says so – its written in the bible in black and white. Remember…. “All his commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever.” (Psalms 111:7, 8)


I’ve heard some Christians say that they don’t follow all of the bible as they aren’t bound by the Old Testament anymore? Why not? It says in the Old Testament that we have to follow it, and it written by God. Therefore we must follow it, as God has told us we must. Surly if you say that parts of the Old Testament are wrong, why isn’t all of it wrong?
However, it can’t be wrong. The men writing it were advised by the Holy Spirit, which can never be wrong. And if you ever doubt it, then Hell awaits you:


- "Everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven." Luke 12:10
- "Whosoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit can never have forgivenss, but is guilty of an eternal sin." (Mark 3:29)


So, back to my original question, why do Christians not follow the entire bible, even though it says they must?

Simply because all Christians are sinners in process, struggling with sin. A Christian is being changed by God to sin less.

Struggling With Sin - Romans 7 (Holy Bible)

What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "Do not covet." But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous desire. For apart from law, sin is dead. Once I was alive apart from law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death.

For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good. Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through what was good, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.

We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
 

nawab

Active Member
Well, Christians claim that the commandments are no longer validate because Jesus Paid it for them, so now they have a license to sin, like james bond has a license to kill. As long as you beleive in John 3:16 no matter how bad are you you will be saved, Famous Evangleist Ravern Jimmy Swaggert said Greater the Sin, Greater the redemption, in simple words encouraging you to sin. no wonder Ravern Jim Jones made his 911 followers to suicide by drinking lemonade with synide.

Well there is no point in beleiveing in the Bible i persoanlly feel it because if you have money you can be saved, if you go to the vatican the Pope sells certificates directly to Heaven and you can even pre pay for sins you plan to commit in the future, Wonderful isint it. so sophesticated they are. No wonder these Christian Misssionaries laugh at us Muslims, telling us you are crazy bowing and praying 5 times a day, keeping fasts in this hot weather not even drinking a sip of water.
 

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
Staff member
Premium Member
if you go to the vatican the Pope sells certificates directly to Heaven and you can even pre pay for sins you plan to commit in the future
Who told you that?
 

nawab

Active Member
Guys what do you mean who told me, You guys go to different countries for vacation why dont you go to the Vatican and inquire it for yourselves. Whatever a Muslism says carries no weight for you guys. So go ahead and check it out yourselves and tell me if it is true or not
 

Scott1

Well-Known Member
Yes... and underneath the Dome of the Rock is a get out of jail free card... and a unicorn... I saw it for sale myself. :sarcastic

Ignorance is bliss.
 
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