Why don't Christians give burnt offerings?

[Shiranui117]

Where does the text indicate that the Eucharist/breaking of bread is a form of thank offering/sacrifice?

Matthew 26:27-28
27 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 For this is My blood of the new[c] covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

1 Corinthians 10:16
The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

1 Corinthians 5:7
Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.

Ephesians 5:2
And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma.

Hebrews 9:26
He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

 

[Shermana]

Matthew 26:27-28
27 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 For this is My blood of the new[c] covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

That's not a sacrificial offering, that's giving thanks before a meal which was common Jewish tradition before eating bread and wine.

1 Corinthians 10:16
The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

How is that saying its a sacrifice?

1 Corinthians 5:7
Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.

That only says that Christ was sacrificed.

Ephesians 5:2
And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma.

Same thing.

Hebrews 9:26
He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

Okay, so are where are these verses that specifically say the Eucharist is an actual thank offering?

Again, this thread should be in the debate section.

 

[Shiranui117]

That's not a sacrificial offering, that's giving thanks before a meal which was common Jewish tradition before eating bread and wine.

Allow me to clarify for you: Jesus said that the wine is His blood, which will be shed for the remission of sins.

How is that saying its a sacrifice?

I was making a connection between Jesus' blood being shed for the remission of sins (i.e. a sacrifice) and the Eucharist. The purpose of my posting the verse was to connect the idea of Jesus giving His blood for the remission of sins to the Eucharist.

That only says that Christ was sacrificed.

Same thing.

Good, you understood the point of the verses.

Okay, so are where are these verses that specifically say the Eucharist is an actual thank offering?

Connect the dots, from Jesus being a sacrifice and an offering, to the Eucharist being the body and blood of Christ...

Again, this thread should be in the debate section.

Not unless we make it into a debate. Right now, it's a respectful, civil Q&A format.

 

[Shermana]

One can "connect the dots" in any way they want to substantiate their own Theology. Why would drinking the blood-wine be a "Thank offering" exactly? Jesus is the Guilt offering, not a Thank offering, so where is the connection in the eating and drinking of his flesh and blood? Because you're thankful for his sacrifice? Not exactly how a Thank offering works. A thank offering involves giving something up for one thing.

There's no reason to believe that the drinking of the Eucharistic Wine is an actual Thank offering from the plain reading and the direct context.

 

[Shiranui117]

One can "connect the dots" in any way they want to substantiate their own Theology. Why would drinking the blood-wine be a "Thank offering" exactly? Jesus is the Guilt offering, not a Thank offering, so where is the connection in the eating and drinking of his flesh and blood? Because you're thankful for his sacrifice? Not exactly how a Thank offering works. A thank offering involves giving something up for one thing.

There's no reason to believe that the drinking of the Eucharistic Wine is an actual Thank offering from the plain reading and the direct context.

I wasn't stressing the "thank offering," I was stressing the "sacrifice." Forgive me for missing the point of your question.

That being said, my goal in this thread has been accomplished, so I'm bowing out until I have another point in posting.

Peace and God bless!

 

[Treks]

Since it's unlikely a consensus will be reached I will thank everyone for their input and food for thought going forward in my explorations.

So yes, thank you.

 

[Pegg]

Please pardon my ignorance, I'm new to learning about Christianity. I've just started reading the Gospel according to Luke (New Living Translation) and it says that after Jesus's birth Mary and Joseph took him to the temple in Jerusalem (as he was the first born son) and gave the appropriate offering (two young pigeons or a pair of turtledoves).

My impression from this is that offerings were given on many occasions (including joyous occasions) and not just for sins. Can someone please clarify this for me please?

Many thanks.

while the birth of a child is a joyous occasion, there is still the issue that the child has been born into a sinful world and sin has been passed onto that child through its parents. (this wasnt the case with Jesus, but thats another story)

So Mary's offering was actually according to the Law, a 'purification' offering. The priest would take her offering, and put it on the alter after the menstural flow had stopped
Leviticus 12:7 And he must present it before Jehovah and make atonement for her, and she must be clean from the source of her blood. This is the law about her who bears either a male or a female. 8 But if she cannot afford enough for a sheep, she must then take two turtledoves or two young pigeons, one for a burnt offering and one for a sin offering, and the priest must make atonement for her, and she must be clean.’”

To really understand why a woman must atone for bringing a child into the world, we have to understand the serious nature of sin. Sin is what kills mankind. Every child brought into the world by a person who sins, will in turn also commit sin. Thats just the way we are built...we inherit our parents traits whether good or bad.
And that is what the sacrifice was for....to atone for bringing a new life into a sinful world.

Jesus was special in that he himself was not tainted by his mothers sin...but Mary had to comply with the mosaic law nonetheless.

 

[Shermana]

while the birth of a child is a joyous occasion, there is still the issue that the child has been born into a sinful world and sin has been passed onto that child through its parents. (this wasnt the case with Jesus, but thats another story)

So Mary's offering was actually according to the Law, a 'purification' offering. The priest would take her offering, and put it on the alter after the menstural flow had stopped
Leviticus 12:7 And he must present it before Jehovah and make atonement for her, and she must be clean from the source of her blood. This is the law about her who bears either a male or a female. 8 But if she cannot afford enough for a sheep, she must then take two turtledoves or two young pigeons, one for a burnt offering and one for a sin offering, and the priest must make atonement for her, and she must be clean.’”

To really understand why a woman must atone for bringing a child into the world, we have to understand the serious nature of sin. Sin is what kills mankind. Every child brought into the world by a person who sins, will in turn also commit sin. Thats just the way we are built...we inherit our parents traits whether good or bad.
And that is what the sacrifice was for....to atone for bringing a new life into a sinful world.

Jesus was special in that he himself was not tainted by his mothers sin...but Mary had to comply with the mosaic law nonetheless.

Is there any Jewish midrash on this extrabiblical concept that a woman had to make an offering for bringing a child into the sinful world? I'd be curious as to what the JW view on "uncleanliness" is.

 

[Pegg]

Is there any Jewish midrash on this extrabiblical concept that a woman had to make an offering for bringing a child into the sinful world? I'd be curious as to what the JW view on "uncleanliness" is.

I dont know about the midrash, but our view is that uncleaness is linked to inherited sinfulness.

Why did the Mosaic Law say that sexual intercourse and childbirth made a person “unclean”?
The question arises: Why were such normal, proper things as menstruation, sexual intercourse between married persons, and childbirth viewed in the Law as making one “unclean”?
For one thing, it raised the most intimate relations of marriage to the level of sanctity, teaching both mates self-control, a high regard for the reproductive organs, and respect for the sacredness of life and blood. The hygienic benefits that accrued from scrupulous observance of these regulations have also been commented on. But there is yet another aspect of the matter.

In the beginning God created the sex impulses and generative powers in the first man and woman and commanded them to cohabit and bring forth children. It was therefore no sin for the perfect pair to have sexual intercourse. However, when Adam and Eve disobeyed God, not in the matter of sex relations, but in eating the forbidden fruit, drastic changes took place. Suddenly their guilty sin-stricken consciences made them aware of their nakedness, and they immediately covered their genital organs from God’s sight. (Ge 3:7, 10, 11) From then on, men could not carry out the procreative mandate in perfection, but, instead, the hereditary blemish of sin and the penalty of death would be transmitted from the parents to children. Even the most upright and God-fearing parents produce sin-infected children.—Ps 51:5.

The Law’s requirements pertaining to the functions of the reproductive organs taught men and women self-discipline, restraint of passions, and respect for God’s means of propagation.

The Law’s regulations forcefully reminded creatures of their sinful state; these were not merely health measures to ensure cleanliness or prophylactic safeguards against the spread of diseases. As a reminder of man’s inherited sinfulness, it was fitting that both the male and the female with genital discharges due to normal functions of their bodies observe a period of uncleanness. If suffering abnormal prolonged discharges because of defective conditions, a more extensive period of uncleanness was demanded; and in the end, as also when a mother gave birth, in addition to bathing, a sin offering was necessary, so that God’s priest might make atonement in behalf of the person. Jesus’ mother Mary thus confessed to her hereditary sinfulness, acknowledging that she was not sinless, immaculate, by offering a sin-atoning sacrifice after giving birth to her firstborn.—Lu 2:22-24.

 

[NoraSariah]

Burnt offerings in the Old Testament were burnt lambs that were perfect. This symbolizes Christ, who is the perfect, spotless lamb that died for us. So in the New Testament, Christ was killed, symbolizing the final burnt offering. His atonement for us replaces the need for burnt offerings.

 

[Xian Catalyst]

Why don't Christians give burnt animal offerings to God? Is there any Biblical support for why Christians don't do it? Do you think Christians will ever give burnt offerings in the future?

Thanks

smells up the house.

and there was ONE for all. Can't top that.

 

[Shermana]

Zechariah 14 says there will be sacrifices again in the End times, and that gentiles will even go up to Jerusalem to obey Succoth or be stricken with plagues.

Hmmm...

 

[james2ko]

Why don't Christians give burnt animal offerings to God? Is there any Biblical support for why Christians don't do it? Do you think Christians will ever give burnt offerings in the future?

Thanks

The sacrificial system was temporarily suspended. It will be reinstated (in some form) and last for a short time, preceding Christ's second coming (Dan 12:11). During the millennial reign of Christ on earth, it will once again be reinstated in the millennial temple (Eze 44:10-14;45:17).

 

[Xian Catalyst]

Does it say those were sin sacrifices??? Because people assume blood is for forgiveness, but often it was to show appreciation to God as well.

 

[Walkntune]

Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.

Purge out the law which puffs one up (as leaven does bread)in self righteousness , and walk in love.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

 

[james2ko]

Does it say those were sin sacrifices??? Because people assume blood is for forgiveness, but often it was to show appreciation to God as well.

Who are you replying to? You may want to use the quote feature to avoid confusion in the future.

 

[chongjasmine]

Jesus is the burnt offering we christians give.
He died on the cross for our sins, and since then, He had become the only burnt offering we christians need to give to God.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Jesus is the Perfect and Eternal Sacrifice given to all for all time. Now the only offering God will accept from us is the offering of our hearts and lives in service of His glory and Kingdom on earth. The OT offerings are over forever.

 

[Treks]

What is the process for giving a burnt offering? How should the animal be slaughtered before being cremated, or is it not specified?

Thanks

 

[Shermana]

Jesus is the Perfect and Eternal Sacrifice given to all for all time. Now the only offering God will accept from us is the offering of our hearts and lives in service of His glory and Kingdom on earth. The OT offerings are over forever.

Zechariah 14 says otherwise.