Why don't you accept the evolution theory?

[light_to_all_men]

yea animals change over a period of years but it was only 6,000 years ago since the creation of adam and eve man hasn't even been on the earth a million years.

 

[Bishka]

the bible states that the bible is not of mans own interpretation but of gods god is holy and cannot lie so if u do not believe in gods word what or who r u believing in satan is the one who twisted gods word from the begging when he lied to eve tellin her she will not die if she eats the forbidden fruit so thats y so many religions can never understand the meaning of the bible cuz they are in mental and spiritual darkness like jesus said they are skinned and thrown about like sheep without a sheperd.:yes:

Could you quote me these verses, and then one about where Eve 'died'. She didn't die, only fell from perfection.

 

[light_to_all_men]

their culdn't have been cave man cuz adam was the first man to be created then came cain and abel.

 

[Bishka]

yea animals change over a period of years but it was only 6,000 years ago since the creation of adam and eve man hasn't even been on the earth a million years.

You are a literalist then. You obviously don't understand then that the Bible(Old Testament part) originally came from Hebrew, and that the word was never 'day'. It was period and time?

So actually according to the original text of the Bible, the world is not 6000 years old. That's silly to think that way anyways.

 

[light_to_all_men]

remember god said in the day u eat from the tree of knowledge of good and bad in the day u eat from it ull positively die a day to god is a thousand yeras adam died at 930 years of age as foretold in the bible so he died before that day or a thousand years was up. they died of old age they reason they lived longer is because they were closer to perfection than our generation is.

 

[light_to_all_men]

read the book of genesis and ull find your answers.

 

[light_to_all_men]

but like jesus said nowadays people wanna see a sign jesus said put your faith in things unseen which is the invisible spirit person god jehovah cuz they last forever but the things seen will perish false gods and idols made by man out of metal rock and wood.

 

[light_to_all_men]

i kno not the literal planet itself but mankind human history humans only existed for 6000 years

 

[light_to_all_men]

i kno it came from hebrew and gods name is foretold in hebrew but people choose to ignore that yaweh or yhwh means when translated from hebrew to english it means JEHOVAH

 

[light_to_all_men]

that is the god of the hebrew the god of abraham isaac and jacob

 

[light_to_all_men]

jehovah is the only true god th most high don't believe me look at psalm 83:18

 

[Opethian]

The bible is a story written by men, translated and reinterpreted many many times. It holds no value in interpreting the real world, it is only a nice guide for some morals and norms, and literature if you don't have anything better to read. What you believe in is not the god you think there is, but the idea someone had more than a 2000 years ago, changed, exaggerated, and twisted many many times. And that ancient idea is causing you to reject everything we have learned since the time it was conceived...
I'd say it's time you break free from the chains of religious indoctrination, and start learning about the world you live in.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It holds no value in interpreting the real world, it is only a nice guide for some morals and norms, and literature if you don't have anything better to read.

That strikes me as a pathetically ignorant and judgemental statement.

 

[s2a]

That strikes me as a pathetically ignorant and judgemental statement.

In deference to the high regard I retain for both your erudition and intellectual integrity, I might be obliged to qualify your retort (to Opethian) similarly.

While I might qualify Opethian's commentary as perhaps pointedly "direct", or "insensitive" to the feelings of pious adherents of Biblical instruction; such commentary does not strike me as being especially uninformed, or observationally unfair [from an unbeliever's perspective].

I might agree that momentary jabs struck upon impotent and irrelevant evangelism tend to be self-serving, and of minor impact/influence within an ongoing debate/discussion...but injected and blatantly overt declarations of personalized faith and piety tendered as sole rebuttal, hardly merit little more in any temperate reply.

The premise that the Bible was written by men is not in dispute.
The God of the Bible is claimed, but remains factually unproven as a veritable, existent entity.
Many fundamentalist adherents of biblically-derived, faith-based beliefs - do in fact reject all other religious accountings/claims as being patently false (or "lies").

"indoctrination
n : teaching someone to accept doctrines uncritically."
Source: WordNet ® 2.0

Faith-based beliefs (especially those derived from Biblical teachings/adherence) do not invite critical review, neither do they encourage critical evaluations of established dogmatic teachings. They really don't. Be fair. Does ANY biblically-derived sect teach it's adherents to skeptically evaluate and cogitate upon it's own foundational claims of faith and belief?

Opethian may have been harsh in lent estimation; but "ignorant" amd "judgmental"? I think not.

 

[reyjamiei]

Science on the other hand claims it cannot provide definitive answers. It can only provide answers - to the best of current knowledge. We are simple beings trying to understand the world around us. We are bound to get things wrong from time to time and have to revisit past ideas and correct them. This is what science is about.. To insist that science should have the answers instantly and correct is just plain absurd.

That may be so, but since the answers aren't definitive, no one should be expected to believe it just because it's a scientific theory. And no one should be expected to believe it until it is proven correct, until then everyone should feel free to have their own beliefs, whatever they may be.

 

[reyjamiei]

If you say the modern evolution theory has many holes, please tell me which holes because I don’t know any at all, and I’m pretty sure you won’t be able to think of any that I can’t refute.

Of course you can refute any holes in the theory of evolution but most Christians can refute all of the contradictions in the Bible too.

 

[reyjamiei]

The theory of evolution offers an explanation to the question "How did life come to be?" that negates the need for a creator God. Obviously, many devoted theists hold the notion of a creator God as Ultimate Truth, and thus anything that contradicts this Ultimate Truth---such as the theory of evolution---is going to be false in their eyes no matter how much evidence there is to support it.

That's not necessarily so. If evolution is true, it only works as long as there's something on earth that can evolve into something else. If you go back far enough, there will be no life on earth at all. How did the first life get here? Evolutionists say that it just formed in the mud, water or whatever, then evolution began but that has not been proven and can not be proven. So evolution does not necessarily negate the need for a creator God.

 

[reyjamiei]

i kno it came from hebrew and gods name is foretold in hebrew but people choose to ignore that yaweh or yhwh means when translated from hebrew to english it means JEHOVAH

The Hebrew word, translated as "Lord," is made up of four Hebrew letters, which can be written in English as YHVH, and which are expressed, traditionally but mistakenly, as "Jehovah."
The name Jehovah is almost universally accepted by English-speaking Christians as the manner of pronouncing YHVH, but that arose by mistake.
It seems that as the centuries passed and the Jews of later history spread throughout the east and began to speak Aramaic, Babylonian, and Greek, in preference to Hebrew, there grew up the danger that the proper pronunciation of the Biblical language would be forgotten. The Jewish scholars therefore placed little diacritical marks under the Hebrew consonants, indicating the vowel sounds that went with them in each particular word.
For YHVH, however, they did not produce the proper diacritical marks since the name was not supposed to be pronounced anyway. Instead, they wrote the diacritical marks for Adonai, the word that was supposed to be pronounced. Sometime during the Middle Ages, a Christian scholar, supposing that the vowels of Adonai belonged with the consonants YHVH, wrote out the name in full as Jehovah. (The initial J in Latin is pronounced like an initial Y in English.) This mistake has persisted and will probably continue to persist. Actually modern scholars seem to have decided that the correct pronunciation of YHVH is Yahveh. - Asimov's Guide to the Bible Vol 1: The Old Testament by Isaac Asimov pp. 20, 135