Why don't you understand the Trinity?

[MJFlores]

Is Jesus God?

1. Jesus is omnipotent (Revelation 1:8) (Matthew 28:18)
2. Jesus is called God (John 20:28-29) (Romans 9:5) (1 John 5:20)(Hebrews 1:8)(Isaiah 9:6)
3. Jesus is the image of the invisible God (Colossians 1:15)
4. God became flesh (human) and Jesus is this flesh (John 1:1+14) (1 Timothy 3:16)
5. Jesus is worshiped (Acts 7:59-60)
6. Jesus accepts prayers (John 14:13-14)
7. Jesus and the father are one (John 10:30)
8. God is the only Redeemer (Isaiah 43:11) = Jesus is the Redeemer (Luke 2:11)
9. God will judge the world (Psalm 98: 9) = Jesus is the judge (Matthew 25:31-46)
10. God is the rock (1 Samuel 2:2) = Jesus is the rock (1 Corinthians 10:4)
11. God is the Lord of Lords (Deuteronomy 10:17) = Jesus is the Lord of Lords (Revelation 19:16)
12. God is the first and the last (Isaiah 44: 6) = Jesus is the first and the last (Revelation 1:17)

12/17 was replied at and were unanswered
must have been too overwhelming for you

1 Corinthians 9:26 New International Version (NIV)
Therefore I do not run like someone running aimlessly; I do not fight like a boxer beating the air.

 

[SA Huguenot]

Tnx for all these posts.
It gives one a ballanced collection of opinions.
I learned a lot, but still see the Trinity as the reason for our salvation.
Anyhow, htis for a later discussion.

 

[MJFlores]

Tnx for all these posts.
It gives one a ballanced collection of opinions.
I learned a lot, but still see the Trinity as the reason for our salvation.
Anyhow, htis for a later discussion.

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 New International Version (NIV)
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

 

[JJ50]

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 New International Version (NIV)
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

CRAZY!

 

[Atif]

The "word" is not a communication but the "creation". Through the "word" God creates everything. When God says: Let there be light! Then it is the "word". And the "word" is God Himself, for it goes out of

 

[Atif]

Everyone believe in different God and each one of us believe he’s right because he feels the right way. that mean we all right or wrong, in my opinion I couldn’t have a debate and till things mentioned in my Holy book If the other person don’t believe in that book i’d rather talking about the big picture that everyone sees without going back to his book because no one believed in the other one book so my question to everyone is this : Can you debate without saying he said or she said I’ve heard or my books said forget all that I want to know if you can prove your point without all that ?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It is the same with God, he consists of a body, a soul and a spirit. And yet it is not three Gods but only one God. The body(physical part) of God is Jesus, the soul(personality) of God is the Father and the Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit.

Sounds like you're describing Modalism, not Trinitarianism.

 

[1213]

.... The answer is, he did not exist and did exist anyway. Jesus as person did not exist but his nature(God) was always there. . ...

Yet the Bible says:

Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I tell you, before Abraham came into existence, I AM. [=I was]"
John 8:58

in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins; who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
Colossians 1:14

 

[calm]

Sounds like you're describing Modalism, not Trinitarianism.

I describe that.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I describe that.
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That diagram doesn't describe Trinitarianism.

 

[calm]

That diagram doesn't describe Trinitarianism.

Yes, it is not the Trinity that teaches the Church today, but the term "Trinity" itself can also be used to describe this diagram. "Trinity" means three in one. It does not contradict the diagram at all.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Yes, it is not the Trinity that teaches the Church today,

... or at any point, AFAIK. Various Christian groups have preached modalism like you descrbe, but they didn't try to pass it off as Trinitarianism.

but the term "Trinity" itself can also be used to describe this diagram.

... in the sense that anyone can make up their own definition for a word, sure.

 

[calm]

... or at any point, AFAIK. Various Christian groups have preached modalism like you descrbe, but they didn't try to pass it off as Trinitarianism.


... in the sense that anyone can make up their own definition for a word, sure.

The modalism differed a little from my explanation. It is not the same.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The modalism differed a little from my explanation. It is not the same.

But my point was that what you've described isn't the Trinity.

 

[Sand Dancer]

What exactly is the problem?

The trinity was taken from previous religion, which often included females. Trying to take patriarchal monotheism and put it in a polytheistic mold doesn't work.