Why God most certainly does not exist

[K.Venugopal]

It is said that those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. That implies that avoiding the mistakes of the past means preparing in the now to meet the future. Those who take the "eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow we die" approach to life will be swallowed up by cunning and well prepared enemies (temporal and spiritual) laying in wait to snare those who fail to prepare, such will deserve exactly what they get.

No man is an island so always being happy in the now is dependent upon preparing, in a world full of people living in the now, for tomorrow to become the now, which it always does and those who ignore its coming are often disappointed by its arrival. I too hope for happiness and peace for all but I am not foolish enough to sit idely by with nothing but hope to go on, I will do everything in my power to stack the deck (so to speak) so that happiness and peace has the best chance I can give it to become a reality. For me that includes listening to others whom I consider to be wiser than myself. The wisest of us all is God and His only begotten son Jesus Christ. Doing so always prepares one to meet tomorrow regardless of how easy or difficult it may seem.

Understanding "Who I am", "Where I came from", "Why I am here", and "Where I am going" is extreamly important and most certainly demands that I consider the full spectrum of possibilities and then choose wisely the path I will take. To do that requires that I learn from the past (others as well as my own), paying attention to the present, and preparing for the future, all the while looking to divine guidance to make sure I get it right. We only get one shot so getting it wrong is not an option any of us can afford to risk.

I understand what you say. But sometimes I wonder whether the problem is in what happens to us or how we accept what happens to us. We seem to divide anything that happens to us into a like-dislike dichotomy and spend enormous time and energy to procure a comfortable situation at all times. If we could, I again wonder, accept even the so-called bad or "dislike" situation as opportunities or even blessings for us to learn about life in all its fullness, we might never need to believe in God as an insurance cover for us. If we have a wholesome mind and not a mind fragmented with the like-dislike conditioning, God would not be a Proper Noun but a Verb denoting our celebration of life.

 

[yourhopeboundheart]

Stop talking like you are some kind of authority on the subject. These comparisons deal with likelihood. They were derived by people a lot smarter than you or me and they are valid because there is nothing mystic or religious about the calculations, it is pure hard analytical science that put out the numbers, I just repeated them.

please cite your source.

 

[yourhopeboundheart]

. I too hope for happiness and peace for all but I am not foolish enough to sit idely by with nothing but hope to go on, I will do everything in my power to stack the deck (so to speak) so that happiness and peace has the best chance I can give it to become a reality.

this is very true. and we should all spend as much of our energy as we feel necessary to increase the chances of positive events in the future. although perpetually living a few steps ahead of ones-self doesn't leave a lot of room for basking in the fruits of our preparedness. and truly appreciating what all of our hard work has achieved for us. so we have to be careful to maintain a balance.

We seem to divide anything that happens to us into a like-dislike dichotomy and spend enormous time and energy to procure a comfortable situation at all times. If we could, I again wonder, accept even the so-called bad or "dislike" situation as opportunities or even blessings for us to learn about life in all its fullness, we might never need to believe in God as an insurance cover for us.

this is part of that balance. and combining the analytical with the accepting could produce a lot of positive results.

however,

We only get one shot so getting it wrong is not an option any of us can afford to risk.

this kind of statement makes finding a balance impossible. when the stakes are too high, experimentation is crippled by fear. and i, for one, feel like it's worth the risk to find out what's right for me. no matter the cost.

 

[Thief]

Mr. obvious.

Thank you.

 

[DavyCrocket2003]

Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. It is more about having hope for the future.

I would say it is more about creating the future and the present.

 

[Webbster101]

God or the concept of religion is an idea that I find archaic, and no longer necessary. One does not need to subscribe to a Faith in order to be a good and moral person.

Where do you get your morals from?

 

[Tristesse]

Where do you get your morals from?

We all get our morals from the same place. Society, influence from our parents etc.... Morality is not as complicated as most people like to portray it as.

 

[yourhopeboundheart]

Where do you get your morals from?

define morals.

where do you get your morals from?

 

[darkendless]

Where do you get your morals from?

Morals are not religious.

Religion just claimed the obvious when really they didnt do anything.

Quite expected really.

 

[dogsgod]

If one says leprechauns or invisible green goblins don't exist, no big deal. If one says invisible gods don't exist, people go nuts. Why is that? They say you can't say that, that's just as much a belief as believing there is a god, you can't prove invisible gods don't exist. Excuse me, but what is presented without evidence can reasonably be dismissed without evidence, and I'm sorry, but it's true, observation suggests that the universe evolved, and there's nothing to suggest that your invisible gods play any role at all in the continuing process. That people still believe invisible gods exist out there says more about people and how they handle death than it does about reality.

 

[Zadok]

Some ideas to add to this thread.

1. Can man be moral without religion? I am not sure he can or will. The roll religion plays in history is important and part of the evolution of man. To just insert that religion is not important or has no place is ignorant and silly. Not all religion has been beneficial or used for the benefit of man – but then what has? Politics? I believe it is foolish, stupid and absurd to attempt to study history without understanding the religious concepts that were at play. I regret religion is taboo in public education and thus reflects not just prejudice but an insane fear of evolution of thought. My point – show me a moral and just person and I will show you someone that has been influenced by religion. Show me a immoral and unjust person and I will show you someone that is selfish and modifies religious thought to suit themselves.

2. Can man be moral without discipline? If there is no standard for discipline how can anyone claim to be disciplined? I submit that without discipline nothing of value or benefit can be accomplished. What music comes from an undisciplined child with a musical instrument? What knowledge can from an undisciplined scientist? What value is there in law from undisciplined politicians? The interesting thing about the criminal mind is that it thinks itself moral and just especially to all that are worthy of what is moral and just. I have yet to meet anyone that thinks they are wrong. Discipline is the first necessity of beneficial society, civilization and worthwhile religion. The notion that belief in G-d is possible without disciplining one behavior is false religion and can be applied to anything including false science, false politics or anything that does not makes sense.

3. Does G-d exist? We all believe what we want to believe. It has been interesting to me to observe what people believe in elements of science without having proved it for themselves but demand all in religion must be proven before it should be believed. For example we all think electrons exist but the current model of electrons has so many holes that even the most simple question – are electrons particles of matter or waves of energy – or perhaps something else that we have not figured out yet. Because there are missing pieces and because no one has really seen an electron we should all argue that electrons do not exist at all? Strange as it may seem no can see what they are not willing to understand – a child does not have to be an electrical engineer to believe that turning on a switch will turn on a light – they can do it on faith whenever they want light in their lives. I have yet to find even a single case where someone that does not believe in G-d that I could believe in anything that even comes close to what they think is G-d. So why argue something so ridiculous.

Zadok

 

[yourhopeboundheart]

1. Can man be moral without religion? I am not sure he can or will.

humyns couldn't have developed language until after morality already existed (especially since morality is not an exclusively human trait, while language seems to be so far). the family units we needed to form for language to be necessary required a lot of altruistic moral behavior and certain norms and taboos. we could have never codified morality on a large scale without language, and mass codifications of morality (the kind of morality you attribute to religion) popped up well after the moral behavior had already been taking place. so can humans be moral without religion? yes, and this was so for thousands of generations.

 

[tarasan]

If one says leprechauns or invisible green goblins don't exist, no big deal. If one says invisible gods don't exist, people go nuts. Why is that? They say you can't say that, that's just as much a belief as believing there is a god, you can't prove invisible gods don't exist. Excuse me, but what is presented without evidence can reasonably be dismissed without evidence, and I'm sorry, but it's true, observation suggests that the universe evolved, and there's nothing to suggest that your invisible gods play any role at all in the continuing process. That people still believe invisible gods exist out there says more about people and how they handle death than it does about reality.

whenever u make a good arguement to show that lephhrecauns exist then i will listen to it.

 

[dogsgod]

whenever u make a good arguement to show that lephhrecauns exist then i will listen to it.

My point exactly.

 

[dogsgod]

Can man be moral with religion, that is the real question. The killing in the name of God for believing in the wrong God or not believing. The treatment of those of the wrong sexual orientation, the idea that Jesus was white, as in the image of God, in other words, not black, the treatment of women as second class citizens and so on.

 

[Thief]

Can man be moral with religion, that is the real question. The killing in the name of God for believing in the wrong God or not believing. The treatment of those of the wrong sexual orientation, the idea that Jesus was white, as in the image of God, in other words, not black, the treatment of women as second class citizens and so on.

So now we are to the point where religion and the other motivators all look the same.

There are four basic means of motivating your fellow man.

Religion...convince your fellow man ...God wants you to.....

Politics...'I have the plan...it's good for me...it's good for you'...

Military...get a uniform, and an army...install a regime.

Economics...'there's money in it for me...a paycheck for you...the time clock is over there.'

Expand on any one of these and you will find people willing to do whatever it takes to further the cause.

However, poor performance does not disprove God.

'God most certainly does not exist'......really?
That would be a sinner's plea...hoping there is no God....hoping no consequence for poor performance.