Why has man never evolved?

[sandy whitelinger]

And why would you believe something for which you have no evidence for?

Because he has faith.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Getting a bit OT here, but how did you decide that these were spiritual virtues? How did you decide that they're virtues? How are they spiritual, rather than regular old virtues?

Actually it's very NT. The only verse I know of that spells out biblical virtue is Phil. 4:8, "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."

He seems to have come up with his list from Gal. 5:22-23, "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."

It seems he has called these fruits which come from the indwelling of the Holy Spirit virtues and ergo called them spiritual virtues. I think he is mistaken in that they are not Biblical virtue.

 

[Magic Man]

Because he has faith.

That's what he was asking. Why does he have faith (in other words, why does he believe in something for which he has no evidence)?

 

[Midnight Pete]

Getting a bit OT here, but how did you decide that these were spiritual virtues? How did you decide that they're virtues? How are they spiritual, rather than regular old virtues?

I didn't decide anything. I did not make them up off the top of my head. A virtue is any positive quality or any attribute seen to be beneficial.

 

[Midnight Pete]

That's what he was asking. Why does he have faith (in other words, why does he believe in something for which he has no evidence)?

I don't know.

I think it has to do with the interplay of free will and destiny and God choosing people who answer His call.

 

[Magic Man]

I don't know.

I think it has to do with the interplay of free will and destiny and God choosing people who answer His call.

Could you elaborate? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here.

Also, why do you feel it's good to use faith to believe in the Christian God and not Allah or Vishnu or any of the other gods?

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I didn't decide anything. I did not make them up off the top of my head. A virtue is any positive quality or any attribute seen to be beneficial.

Biblically, I think you will find virtue defined in Phil. 4:8 and it's not what you offered.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

That's what he was asking. Why does he have faith (in other words, why does he believe in something for which he has no evidence)?

Biblically, our faith to believe in God comes from God.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I don't know.

I think it has to do with the interplay of free will and destiny and God choosing people who answer His call.

Interplay of free will and destiny and God choosing people to answer his call? Do you realize how much of a massive contradiction this is? Free will and destiny cannot coexist, and how can free will play a part in something when God supposedly chooses who "answers his call"?

What's more, what do you believe happens to people who don't choose to believe in a God? Do they end up in hell or some kind of purgatory, even though they are only there through either exercising the free will God gave them, or not being destined to have faith in God, or God simply not choosing them?

 

[Magic Man]

Biblically, our faith to believe in God comes from God.

So, God makes some people have faith in him, but not others?

 

[sandy whitelinger]

So, God makes some people have faith in him, but not others?

No, I'm not a Calvinist. Some people do not exercise their faith.

 

[Midnight Pete]

Could you elaborate? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here.

Also, why do you feel it's good to use faith to believe in the Christian God and not Allah or Vishnu or any of the other gods?

I didn't choose to be born into a Catholic family as opposed to a Muslim or Hindu family. But I was. The circumstances of my origin dictated what language I would speak and what race I would belong to. It wasn't my intention to be raised as a Catholic, but that was what happened. So this was how God set the stage for me to choose Him.

Baptized into the Catholic Church as an infant, I couldn't really choose anything just yet. At my First Communion, I was becoming aware of what it meant to be a member of the church. Later, when it was time for my Confirmation, I was even more aware of what it meant to be a member of the body. After my "Buddhist period" I came back to the church and recived an adult baptism (just a dunk in the tank) at Chartwell Baptist Church where I live in Clarkson. After that, I was fully aware of my status as a child of God and member of the body of Christ. Many are called but few are chosen.

But why do want to know all this?

 

[Magic Man]

No, I'm not a Calvinist. Some people do not exercise their faith.

That doesn't even make sense. I don't have faith in God. It's not that I have faith that I just don't use. That's impossible. You either have faith in God or you don't. It's not one of those things that can just exist whether or not you use it.

 

[Orias]

If evolution is true why has man never evolved? I collect alot of old paintings and ornaments now when you look at these some of which are 1000s of years old, man still looks exactly the same as he did then as today, so when exactly are humans meant to evolve? If you go to your local art gallery or history museum and compare how people looked 1000s of years ago to today, we have not changed at all in physical appearance. There is no change. There clearly is no evolution. So to the evolutionists on this forum when are humans meant to evolve?

The mind.

Never judge a book by its cover.

We have evolved drastically through out the years.

Look around you.

Man is not in need of physical evolution, since his capabilities allow him to evolve what is around him and within him.

 

[Magic Man]

I didn't choose to be born into a Catholic family as opposed to a Muslim or Hindu family. But I was. The circumstances of my origin dictated what language I would speak and what race I would belong to. It wasn't my intention to be raised as a Catholic, but that was what happened. So this was how God set the stage for me to choose Him.

And the fact that you were born into a Catholic family is the reason you think the Christian god exists. If you were born into a Muslim family or Hindu, you'd most likely believe Allah or Vishnu exists.

Baptized into the Catholic Church as an infant, I couldn't really choose anything just yet. At my First Communion, I was becoming aware of what it meant to be a member of the church. Later, when it was time for my Confirmation, I was even more aware of what it meant to be a member of the body. After my "Buddhist period" I came back to the church and recived an adult baptism (just a dunk in the tank) at Chartwell Baptist Church where I live in Clarkson. After that, I was fully aware of my status as a child of God and member of the body of Christ. Many are called but few are chosen.

But why do want to know all this?

I don't really. I wanted to know the answer to the question "Also, why do you feel it's good to use faith to believe in the Christian God and not Allah or Vishnu or any of the other gods?". Now, if by telling me all these details you're saying you feel it's good to use faith to believe in the Christian God because that's how you were raised, I'll agree. But then all you're saying is there's no good reason to have faith in the Christian god, and you're just going with what people taught you.

 

[Orias]

I didn't choose to be born into a Catholic family as opposed to a Muslim or Hindu family. But I was. The circumstances of my origin dictated what language I would speak and what race I would belong to. It wasn't my intention to be raised as a Catholic, but that was what happened. So this was how God set the stage for me to choose Him.

Baptized into the Catholic Church as an infant, I couldn't really choose anything just yet. At my First Communion, I was becoming aware of what it meant to be a member of the church. Later, when it was time for my Confirmation, I was even more aware of what it meant to be a member of the body. After my "Buddhist period" I came back to the church and recived an adult baptism (just a dunk in the tank) at Chartwell Baptist Church where I live in Clarkson. After that, I was fully aware of my status as a child of God and member of the body of Christ. Many are called but few are chosen.

But why do want to know all this?

This is a considerably weak argument.

People born into a Muslim faith can worship the Opposite. A Christian can become Satanic and vice versa.

You don't remember your baptism. It doesn't mean anything. I know plenty of Atheists that were baptised and believe in the Opposite.

What does this have to do with evolution by the way?

Read post #194

 

[Midnight Pete]

Biblically, I think you will find virtue defined in Phil. 4:8 and it's not what you offered.

Yeah, I wasn't sure which words to use. I like Philippeans 4:8 a lot better than what I wrote.

Philippians 4:8 (New International Version)

Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things

 

[Orias]

I don't really. I wanted to know the answer to the question "Also, why do you feel it's good to use faith to believe in the Christian God and not Allah or Vishnu or any of the other gods?". Now, if by telling me all these details you're saying you feel it's good to use faith to believe in the Christian God because that's how you were raised, I'll agree. But then all you're saying is there's no good reason to have faith in the Christian god, and you're just going with what people taught you.

Its called programming. Many people are to unaware to even realize this.

Ha, and people speak of awareness...

 

[sandy whitelinger]

That doesn't even make sense. I don't have faith in God. It's not that I have faith that I just don't use. That's impossible. You either have faith in God or you don't. It's not one of those things that can just exist whether or not you use it.

You may come upon a bridge someday while driving down the road. You may believe (have faith) that the bridge will hold you up if you were to drive across it. It is not until you get on the the bridge that you are exercising your faith.

"He that believeth on him {Christ} is not condemned... John 3:18 KJV
"For by grace are ye saved throughfaith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God..." Eph. 2:8 KJV

 

[ninerbuff]

I didn't choose to be born into a Catholic family as opposed to a Muslim or Hindu family. But I was. The circumstances of my origin dictated what language I would speak and what race I would belong to. It wasn't my intention to be raised as a Catholic, but that was what happened. So this was how God set the stage for me to choose Him.

Baptized into the Catholic Church as an infant, I couldn't really choose anything just yet. At my First Communion, I was becoming aware of what it meant to be a member of the church. Later, when it was time for my Confirmation, I was even more aware of what it meant to be a member of the body. After my "Buddhist period" I came back to the church and recived an adult baptism (just a dunk in the tank) at Chartwell Baptist Church where I live in Clarkson. After that, I was fully aware of my status as a child of God and member of the body of Christ. Many are called but few are chosen.

But why do want to know all this?

Lol, being a former catholic myself, how can you honestly believe that the catholic faith (especially with all the money and sex scandals and being lead and dictated by a man, the pope) is the church of god?