Why has man never evolved?

[sandy whitelinger]

Ever visited a museum with actual mummies or even medieval knights? They're considerably smaller than modern Egyptians or Europeans.

Isn't that mostly a nutritional difference?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Isn't that mostly a nutritional difference?

I don't think so.

In the case of the mummies, most are inbred royalty. So they had plenty of good food but bad genes (which could have made them short).

Knights were gentlemen and also had plenty of good food.

 

[Autodidact]

Isn't that mostly a nutritional difference?

I don't know. My point is merely that the poster is incorrect; people are getting bigger, not smaller.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I don't think so.

In the case of the mummies, most are inbred royalty. So they had plenty of good food but bad genes (which could have made them short).

Knights were gentlemen and also had plenty of good food.

From here:
"Steckel believes a variety of factors contributed to the drop – and subsequent regain – in average height during the last millennium. These factors include climate change; the growth of cities and the resulting spread of communicable diseases; changes in political structures; and changes in agricultural production.
"Average height is a good way to measure the availability and consumption of basic necessities such as food, clothing, shelter, medical care and exposure to disease," Steckel said. "Height is also sensitive to the degree of inequality between populations."

I don't see any mention of evolution in there.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

From here:
"Steckel believes a variety of factors contributed to the drop – and subsequent regain – in average height during the last millennium. These factors include climate change; the growth of cities and the resulting spread of communicable diseases; changes in political structures; and changes in agricultural production.
"Average height is a good way to measure the availability and consumption of basic necessities such as food, clothing, shelter, medical care and exposure to disease," Steckel said. "Height is also sensitive to the degree of inequality between populations."

I don't see any mention of evolution in there.

And right before that he says:

"Men living during the early Middle Ages (the ninth to 11th centuries) were several centimeters taller than men who lived hundreds of years later, on the eve of the Industrial Revolution," said Richard Steckel, a professor of economics at Ohio State University and the author of a new study that looks at changes in average heights during the last millennium.

In other words, I agree that nutrition may have something to do with hieght, but in the case of the mummies and knights, they were likely well fed.

 

[ninerbuff]

From here:
"Steckel believes a variety of factors contributed to the drop – and subsequent regain – in average height during the last millennium. These factors include climate change; the growth of cities and the resulting spread of communicable diseases; changes in political structures; and changes in agricultural production.
"Average height is a good way to measure the availability and consumption of basic necessities such as food, clothing, shelter, medical care and exposure to disease," Steckel said. "Height is also sensitive to the degree of inequality between populations."

I don't see any mention of evolution in there.

I had the same advantages as kids of today do, yet my nephews and nieces are maturing (physically) and are much taller than the previous generation. Yes nutrition plays a small part, but it's more about the hormones that dictate growth. Once these are in place, then genetically it's passed on to the next generation.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I had the same advantages as kids of today do, yet my nephews and nieces are maturing (physically) and are much taller than the previous generation. Yes nutrition plays a small part, but it's more about the hormones that dictate growth. Once these are in place, then genetically it's passed on to the next generation.

Antidotal evidence does not prove any points about evolution. Height differential in the last 7 0r 8 centuries has not been proven to be due to evolution, to my knowledge.

 

[Gunfingers]

Antidotal evidence does not prove any points about evolution. Height differential in the last 7 0r 8 centuries has not been proven to be due to evolution, to my knowledge.

Nothing outside of math problems have ever been proven ever, but experts generally regard the height difference over the last millenia as a combination of better nutrition and evolution.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Nothing outside of math problems have ever been proven ever, but experts generally regard the height difference over the last millenia as a combination of better nutrition and evolution.

Can you give a source for this?

 

[Gunfingers]

Can you give a source for this?

If i weren't at work i could probably find the document i pulled it from on the internet. I know i've read it in a book, but i don't remember the book. I guess i could just save this post until i get home and find it there, but honestly when i get home i'm just going to play Mass Effect 2 until about midnight and then fall asleep.

IOW, i'm too lazy to back up this particular point.

 

[gnomon]

If evolution is true why has man never evolved? I collect alot of old paintings and ornaments now when you look at these some of which are 1000s of years old, man still looks exactly the same as he did then as today, so when exactly are humans meant to evolve? If you go to your local art gallery or history museum and compare how people looked 1000s of years ago to today, we have not changed at all in physical appearance. There is no change. There clearly is no evolution. So to the evolutionists on this forum when are humans meant to evolve?

So horseshoe crab fossils have been dated back over 400 million years.

Fossils of T. Rex's date around 65 to 67 million years old.

Horseshoe crab's are still scurrying about today. A species about 450 million years old.

When are horseshoe crabs going to evolve!

How do we know they didn't? In one area of the world a population of horseshoe crabs may very have differentiated and evolved. Doesn't mean that horseshoe crabs as they were in the rest of the world were no longer adapted to survive in their ecosystem.

Where are all the T. Rex's! Gone!

How old are humans! Current estimate is 200,000 years old. However, it is recognized that the species in it's modern behavioral aspect (an evolved aspect) is 40,000 years old.

One near earth object could wipe us out tomorrow.

You are asking when human beings are meant to evolve because over the last couple of millennia human appearance has not changed? Over the last two thousand years when modern humans adapted to the environment by being able to shape the environment around them drastically to maintain itself and you are asking when human beings are meant to change?

Meant to? That's a question you hit your knees and bow your head over. There is no meant to in evolution. Even thinking such a thing means you do not understand the meaning of the term.

In language if the term we can be applied to a self recognizing individual and all individuals that contributed to it's genetic makeup over history than we have evolved many times already!

 

[sandy whitelinger]

If i weren't at work i could probably find the document i pulled it from on the internet. I know i've read it in a book, but i don't remember the book. I guess i could just save this post until i get home and find it there, but honestly when i get home i'm just going to play Mass Effect 2 until about midnight and then fall asleep.

IOW, i'm too lazy to back up this particular point.

I'll stand by my statement then.

 

[ninerbuff]

Antidotal evidence does not prove any points about evolution. Height differential in the last 7 0r 8 centuries has not been proven to be due to evolution, to my knowledge.

Hope this helps then:

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][FONT=Arial, FontName][FONT=Arial, FontName][FONT=Arial, FontName]Misconception: Evolution is something that happened in the past and is not in play today.

Answer: False. Scientists continue to find evolution at work today among contemporary species. Examples are changes over time in dog breeds, and even in us. For example, there has been a marked increase in the overall height and a reduction in size of the pinky toe of Homo sapiens in the past thousand years, traits that are thought to be heritable
(passed to the next generation).

Evolving Planet
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[sandy whitelinger]

Hope this helps then:

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][FONT=Arial, FontName][FONT=Arial, FontName][FONT=Arial, FontName]Misconception: Evolution is something that happened in the past and is not in play today.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]Answer: False. Scientists continue to find evolution at work today among contemporary species. Examples are changes over time in dog breeds, and even in us. For example, there has been a marked increase in the overall height and a reduction in size of the pinky toe of Homo sapiens in the past thousand years, traits that are thought to be heritable[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular](passed to the next generation).[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]Evolving Planet[/FONT]
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Where is the proof that this is due to evolutionary factors (other than the author saying so)?

 

[ninerbuff]

Where is the proof that this is due to evolutionary factors (other than the author saying so)?

Search here for more peer viewed studies:Growth curve analyses of Finnish population shed light on the genetic regulation of growth in height

 

[painted wolf]

Human height is not a good metric for human evolution IMHO.

wa:do

 

[tomato1236]

So horseshoe crab fossils have been dated back over 400 million years.

Fossils of T. Rex's date around 65 to 67 million years old.

Horseshoe crab's are still scurrying about today. A species about 450 million years old.

When are horseshoe crabs going to evolve!

How do we know they didn't? In one area of the world a population of horseshoe crabs may very have differentiated and evolved. Doesn't mean that horseshoe crabs as they were in the rest of the world were no longer adapted to survive in their ecosystem.

Where are all the T. Rex's! Gone!

How old are humans! Current estimate is 200,000 years old. However, it is recognized that the species in it's modern behavioral aspect (an evolved aspect) is 40,000 years old.

One near earth object could wipe us out tomorrow.

You are asking when human beings are meant to evolve because over the last couple of millennia human appearance has not changed? Over the last two thousand years when modern humans adapted to the environment by being able to shape the environment around them drastically to maintain itself and you are asking when human beings are meant to change?

Meant to? That's a question you hit your knees and bow your head over. There is no meant to in evolution. Even thinking such a thing means you do not understand the meaning of the term.

In language if the term we can be applied to a self recognizing individual and all individuals that contributed to it's genetic makeup over history than we have evolved many times already!

The evolution of our species will become slower and slower as technology, healthcare and mobility improve. People who have genetic defects and disease no longer necessarily die. Ugly or genetically inferior people are often married and reproduce at the same rates as the healthy good-looking ones. Concepts of beauty are moving away from function. Natural selection isn't working as purely as it once did, or as it has for millions of years (or however long you believe it has). So looking to modern man to determine whether or not evolution is real is kind of dumb, since we're doing everything in our power to impede natural selection.

 

[Gunfingers]

Human height is not a good metric for human evolution IMHO.

wa:do

No, but it's an easy one to point out!

 

[painted wolf]

The evolution of our species will become slower and slower as technology, healthcare and mobility improve. People who have genetic defects and disease no longer necessarily die. Ugly or genetically inferior people are often married and reproduce at the same rates as the healthy good-looking ones. Concepts of beauty are moving away from function. Natural selection isn't working as purely as it once did, or as it has for millions of years (or however long you believe it has). So looking to modern man to determine whether or not evolution is real is kind of dumb, since we're doing everything in our power to impede natural selection.

There is no evidence to support this... if anything the evidence is that humans are still evolving at a rapid pace, possibly even faster now than before.

Recent acceleration of human adaptive evolution

wa:do

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

No, it has a dictionary definition.

spir·it·u·al·i·ty


–noun,plural-ties. 1. the quality or fact of being spiritual.

2. incorporeal or immaterial nature.

3. predominantly spiritual character as shown in thought, life, etc.; spiritual tendency or tone.

4. Often, spiritualities. property or revenue of the church or of an ecclesiastic in his or her official capacity.

1. Circular.

2. Vague, and most likely means "non-existant"

3. Circular (again).

4. Specific and non-circular, but it basically amounts to "stuff churches own"... that wasn't your intended meaning, was it?