Why have Christians forgotten the fourth Commandment?

[d.n.irvin]

If you ask most Christians why they don't steal, kill or lie, they respond with the usual its contrary to the Word of God(Bible)?

However if you ask the same Christians why they don't keep the 4th commandment they can't give you one reason from the Bible why the 4th commandment is any different from the rest.

Who took away this commandment? Where can I find it in the Bible?

 

[Lindsey-Loo]

You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

That's the fourth commandment. Most Christians keep the fourth commandment, as far as I know.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Depending on the numbering system and grouping of instructions into commandments, the Fourth Commandment can also be "Honour your father and your mother" or "Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy".

My guess is that d.n.irvin is looking for a Biblical foundation for changing the day of rest from Saturday to Sunday.

 

[d.n.irvin]

[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica] 4th Commandment; Verses 8-11: "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."[/FONT]

[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Exodus 20: 8-11[/FONT]

 

[d.n.irvin]

To the contrary penguin, I wonder why we don't keep the sabbath

 

[Gentoo]

To the contrary penguin, I wonder why we don't keep the sabbath

What do you consider keeping the sabbath day holy?

 

[d.n.irvin]

Obeying the 4th commandment

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

If you ask most Christians why they don't steal, kill or lie, they respond with the usual its contrary to the Word of God(Bible)?

However if you ask the same Christians why they don't keep the 4th commandment they can't give you one reason from the Bible why the 4th commandment is any different from the rest.

Who took away this commandment? Where can I find it in the Bible?

Ask the early Christians why they met on the first day of the week, and you'll have your answer.

 

[Gentoo]

Obeying the 4th commandment

That doesn't answer my question, how is one supposed to keep the sabbath holy according to you?

 

[joeboonda]

9 of the 10 commandments are given again in the NT. Believers were told to meet on the first day of the week and give offerings. This is refered to many times as the Lord's day. This is also the day of the resurrection, a most significant day. The Law, the ten commandments, was given so we can know we fall short, we are sinners, and leads us to Christ, to Mt. Calvary. Now by grace we are saved at Mt. Calvary yet many want to return to Mt. Sinai and the Law, but does the Bible teach this? Have we begun in Christ to go back to the Law? We are dead to the law and alive to Christ. We are new creatures not living by a dead letter the Bible says. Our life is in a person, Jesus Christ, and not in the Law, for the Law only brings death. For a detailed explanation go here: http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/doctrine/rulelife.htm


Galatians 2:16
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

"Run, John, run! The Law commands!
But gives me neither feet nor hands.
Far grander news the Gospel (grace) brings:
It bids me fly and gives me wings!"
– John Bunyan

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

To the contrary penguin, I wonder why we don't keep the sabbath

Okay, fine... just making it clear we aren't talking about idols or parents.

 

[MaddLlama]

Ask the early Christians why they met on the first day of the week, and you'll have your answer.

Ask the early Christians which day of the week was the first day of the week, and it makes the matter a whole lot more confusing.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I'm surprised nobody's brought up Matthew 12 or Romans 7 yet.

 

[d.n.irvin]

1. The Sabbath is a day to cease our creating, working with the creation, and appreciate what God has done in the world and is doing in us. Genesis 2


2. Elaborate food preparation is to be done on the day before the Sabbath so that there is no baking or heavy cooking on the Sabbath. Exodus 16


3. The Sabbath is a time to lay our burdens down and rest. We should not do any servile work on the Sabbath. This includes our entire family, even our servants and beasts of burden and strangers who live among us. Jeremiah 17; Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5


4. The Sabbath is an holy convocation. We should meet and worship with others. Leviticus 23


5. We should be reverent and show God that we love, honor, and respect His authority. Psalm 89:7, Habakkuk 2:20


6. The Sabbath should be a day of delight and rejoicing, a day which we forsake our thoughts and words for God's thoughts and words. Isaiah 56, 58


7. The Sabbath is a time of healing. Matthew 12, Mark 1, 3, Luke 13, 14


8. We are not to buy or sell on the Sabbath. Nehemiah 13


9. The Sabbath is a time to do good and visit and comfort the sick. We should do spiritual work on the Sabbath, serving others. John 5


10. The Sabbath is a time of prayer. Acts 16:13


11. The Sabbath is a time to reason with others about spiritual principles, and for ministers to teach the word of God. Acts 17:2, 18:4, 11


12. The Sabbath is a time for Singing. Ephesians 5:19-20, Colossians 3:16, Psalms 92 is called the "Sabbath Psalm"

 

[Draka]

So you want to know why people don't follow the directives of the 4th commandment and not work on Saturday? Why there are Christians working on Saturday at places such as McDonald's, gas stations, radio stations, grocery stores, and so on? Does the need for one extra day of pay outweigh God's directive? Or should Christians be willing to forsake that day's pay, and what it may buy them, in order to be in good graces with God? It comes down to which is more important...obeying God and staying in his grace, or having enough money to pay that electric bill that is so high from all the AC you've been using to avoid the heat? That sort of thing?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Even separate from that, most Christian denominations apply the commandment in question to rest on Sunday now anyhow, not Saturday... the Seventh-Day Adventists being a notable exception.

 

[d.n.irvin]

Joe Gal. 2:16 dosen't change Gods law

GOD does not change

Luke 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Psalms 89:34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.

Psalms 111:7, 8 All his commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not.

John 3:4 Sin is the transgression of the law.

Romans 3:20 By the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 7:7 I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

 

[d.n.irvin]

the Law does not save us it convicts us of sin- and we naturally want to be saved from sin so the Law/ 10 commandments sends us to Jesus- not works .
Jesus says rest....

***The Law sends us to Jesus, to know wrong is to seek a saviour from wrong.

Jesus kept the Law

John 15:10 I have kept my Father's commandments

**All have sinned

Romans 3:23 For All have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

Romans 6:23 The wages of sin is death.

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

Ask the early Christians which day of the week was the first day of the week, and it makes the matter a whole lot more confusing.

It certainly wasn't the Sabbath (the seventh day of the week), so I'd say the evidence is still pretty firmly on the side of mainstream Christianity here.

 

[MaddLlama]

It certainly wasn't the Sabbath (the seventh day of the week), so I'd say the evidence is still pretty firmly on the side of mainstream Christianity here.

I'm referring to the fact that the Bible makes no allowances for the differences in calendars. The sabbath certainly wasn't "Sunday" or "Saturday".