The Catholic Church says they count.This is ismply not true.
A devout Catholic would never leave the Church if he/she is devout. Mass in central to the faith.
You can't be devout and still leave. You first have to lose that devoutness,wether knowledable or not. Only reason a knowledgeable Catholic would leave, if he does not want to live by the rules the church gives. Such as divorce or ban against prematriatal sex. Though usually these people become cafeteria catholics.
Cafeteria Catholics don't count/
If a person has been baptized, confirmed and never excommunicated, who are you to say they "don't count"?
I think it would be possible for a devout Catholic to be led away from the Church because of their devotion. IMO, anyone who believes strongly enough that "God is love" and who thinks about it long enough will eventually have to figure out some way to get past some of the decidedly unloving doctrines of the Church. One way to get past them is to leave.
Edit: but I think I should leave it at that for this thread. If you want to start a thread in one of the debate forums, we could talk about this further there.
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