Why Hazrath Adam(AS) and not Hazrath Eve(AS)?

[ZoyaHayat]

Hiya Guys ...

I have a question to which i seek answers ...

In the three Abrahamic religions-the famous 'Creation Story' is prevalent...the Six days and the formation of the Universe...

But my question is-Why was Hazrath Adam(AS) (the Male) created first and not Hazrath Eve(AS) (the Female)?

xxx

 

[YmirGF]

Hiya Guys ...

I have a question to which i seek answers ...

In the three Abrahamic religions-the famous 'Creation Story' is prevalent...the Six days and the formation of the Universe...

But my question is:Why was Hazrath Adam(AS) (the Male) created first and not Hazrath Eve(AS) (the Female)?

xxx

My guess is that the myth was in direct response to the long standing idea of the Divine goddess or Earth mother associated with primitive civilizations. I think it safe to say that the priestesses of those age old religions made a rather large mistake, somewhere along the line, and the men rebelled, deciding to put the women in their place once and for all, which made for a perfect segue of the Patriarchal model, where men dominated women. At that point all they needed to do was write creation myths that put men first.

 

[ZoyaHayat]

My guess is that the myth was in direct response to the long standing idea of the Divine goddess or Earth mother associated with primitive civilizations. I think it safe to say that the priestesses of those age old religions made a rather large mistake, somewhere along the line, and the men rebelled, deciding to put the women in their place once and for all, which made for a perfect segue of the Patriarchal model, where men dominated women. At that point all they needed to do was write creation myths that put men first.

Thank You YmirGF for your response ...

But if what you say is correct-then that means the three Abrahamic religions are Man-made and not God's Law-right?...

Why would Men change the truth to show dominancy over us Women?

xxx

 

[Circle_One]

My guess is that the myth was in direct response to the long standing idea of the Divine goddess or Earth mother associated with primitive civilizations. I think it safe to say that the priestesses of those age old religions made a rather large mistake, somewhere along the line, and the men rebelled, deciding to put the women in their place once and for all, which made for a perfect segue of the Patriarchal model, where men dominated women. At that point all they needed to do was write creation myths that put men first.

I tend to agree with this. Even in the polytheistic religions of ancient times, the Gods, too, started with a female. In Sumer, first there was Nammu, the primordial ocean, who, through partenogensis, gave birth to the Heaven & Earth. In Babylon, there began Tiamat (female, the Salt Water Ocean), and then came Apsu (male, sweet water ocean). Even in Ancient Greece; first there was Chaos, and from the Chaos came Gaia, the Earth.

However, I will say that up until the Abrahamic religions dominated the world, the majority of major religions, even those not began by a single female deity, were all more or less equal in their thoughts towards males and females. It wasn't until the Abrahamic religions become the majority do we begin to see the opression of women, among major societies.

 

[Metempsychosis]

But if what you say is correct-then that means the three Abrahamic religions are Man-made and not God's Law-right?...

All religions are man made ,IMHO.

 

[ZoyaHayat]

I tend to agree with this. Even in the polytheistic religions of ancient times, the Gods, too, started with a female. In Sumer, first there was Nammu, the primordial ocean, who, through partenogensis, gave birth to the Heaven & Earth. In Babylon, there began Tiamat (female, the Salt Water Ocean), and then came Apsu (male, sweet water ocean). Even in Ancient Greece; first there was Chaos, and from the Chaos came Gaia, the Earth.

However, I will say that up until the Abrahamic religions dominated the world, the majority of major religions, even those not began by a single female deity, were all more or less equal in their thoughts towards males and females. It wasn't until the Abrahamic religions become the majority do we begin to see the opression of women, among major societies.

Hmmmmmm Circle_One ...

The Primordial Ocean is even mentioned in the Holy Bible and the Holy Quraan...

But what i dont understand is why did the Abrahamic religions give more supieriority to Men over Women?

And why was Hazrath Adam(AS) created before Hazrath Eve(AS)-according to the Abrahamic religion?...

xxx

 

[ZoyaHayat]

All religions are man made ,IMHO.

Anti-religion thanks Lolzzzzz xxx

 

[Metempsychosis]

Anti-religion thanks Lolzzzzz xxx

Welcome ..

 

[ZoyaHayat]

Welcome ..

Lol xxx

 

[Fatihah]

Hiya Guys ...

I have a question to which i seek answers ...

In the three Abrahamic religions-the famous 'Creation Story' is prevalent...the Six days and the formation of the Universe...

But my question is-Why was Hazrath Adam(AS) (the Male) created first and not Hazrath Eve(AS) (the Female)?

xxx

Response: Hi Zoya. Before I answer, I must say, you seem to always ask a good question concerning islam. They're always different from the common questions. From yoga in islam, interfaith marriages, and now this one. I think this is the first time I've ever heard this question before.

As for your question, it seems to be traditional. I used to say Muhammad all the time when I was young, without saying peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, until I heard others saying otherwise. So I just started to say it because it was a common practice by the Imams and most muslims. Yet, I noticed that when it came to other prophets, many muslims didn't say the same for other prophets.

So it seems to be traditional. It has nothing to do with any islamic teaching. You can say Hazrat Eve or Aisha, or use it for any other woman, if you like.

 

[ZoyaHayat]

Response: Hi Zoya. Before I answer, I must say, you seem to always ask a good question concerning islam. They're always different from the common questions. From yoga in islam, interfaith marriages, and now this one. I think this is the first time I've ever heard this question before.

As for your question, it seems to be traditional. I used to say Muhammad all the time when I was young, without saying peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, until I heard others saying otherwise. So I just started to say it because it was a common practice by the Imams and most muslims. Yet, I noticed that when it came to other prophets, many muslims didn't say the same for other prophets.

So it seems to be traditional. It has nothing to do with any islamic teaching. You can say Hazrat Eve or Aisha if you like.

Thank you Fatihah for the response ...

But your reply still dont answer my question :S...

xxx

 

[Mr Cheese]

despite the shoddy poor claims of sexism...

Adam was created first...

if we look deeper.. we find that Adam is neither male or female..
he is the divine perfected first being...

as such there is no man or woman until adam the original (adam kadmon)
becomes adam and eve.....

....

In the religious writings of Kabbalah, Adam Ḳadmon is a phrase meaning "father time," or "Primal Man". The oldest rabbinical source for the term "Adam ha-Ḳadmoni" is Num. R. x., where Adam is styled, not as usually, "Ha-Rishon" (the first), "Ha-Kadmoni" (the original).
It is said that Adam Ḳadmon had rays of light projecting from his eyes. In Lurianic Kabbalah, Adam Ḳadmon acquired an exalted status equivalent to Purusha in the Upanishads, denoting the Manifest Absolute itself, and 'Adam Soul', the primeval Soul that contained all human souls, is described in different terms in this variant of mythopoetic cosmogenesis and anthropogenesis.
Adam Ḳadmon is comparable to the Anthropos of Gnosticism and Manichaeism. There is also a similar concept in Alevi and Sufic philosophy called Insan-i Kamil, the Perfect or Complete Man.

The Primeval Man (Protanthropos, Adam) occupies a prominent place in several Gnostic systems. According to Irenaeus[17] the Aeon Autogenes emits the true and perfect Anthrôpos, also called Adamas; he has a helpmate, "Perfect Knowledge", and receives an irresistible force, so that all things rest in him. Others say[18] there is a blessed and incorruptible and endless light in the power of Bythos; this is the Father of all things who is invoked as the First Man, who, with his Ennoia, emits "the Son of Man", or Euteranthrôpos.
According to Valentinus, Adam was created in the name of Anthrôpos and overawes the demons by the fear of the pre-existent man (tou proontos anthropou). In the Valentinian syzygies and in the Marcosian system we meet in the fourth (originally the third) place Anthrôpos and Ecclesia.
In the Pistis Sophia the Aeon Jeu is called the First Man, he is the overseer of the Light, messenger of the First Precept, and constitutes the forces of the Heimarmene. In the Books of Jeu this "great Man" is the King of the Light-treasure, he is enthroned above all things and is the goal of all souls.
According to the Naassenes, the Protanthropos is the first element; the fundamental being before its differentiation into individuals. "The Son of Man" is the same being after it has been individualized into existing things and thus sunk into matter.
The Gnostic Anthrôpos, therefore, or Adamas, as it is sometimes called, is a cosmogonic element, pure mind as distinct from matter, mind conceived hypostatically as emanating from God and not yet darkened by contact with matter. This mind is considered as the reason of humanity, or humanity itself, as a personified idea, a category without corporeality, the human reason conceived as the World-Soul. The same idea, somewhat modified, occurs in Hermetic literature, especially the Poimandres.

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Adam Kadmon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[YmirGF]

Thank You YmirGF for your response ...

Well, give me a soapbox and I tend to jump on.

But if what you say is correct-then that means the three Abrahamic religions are Man-made and not God's Law-right?...

It would not be unreasonable to conclude that is the case.

Why would Men change the truth to show dominancy over us Women?

xxx

It is very hard to say, as there was no well developed historical record to look to in order to find out. These were people who did not have widely used written languages. We may never know why people moved, en masse, from these old religions. It may have been that the high priestesses overplayed their hand or got caught doing something that could not be adequately explained. As I say, it is hard to say for sure. However, theoretically, it must have been something that exposed them to the core for the men to react with such unyielding venom.

In theory, the men simply used their natural physical strength to brutally suppress women because of the actions of these priestesses. It certainly explains why women have been looked down on over the last 6000 years. I guess men hold grudges longer than women. :sad4:

 

[ZoyaHayat]

Response: Hi Zoya. Before I answer, I must say, you seem to always ask a good question concerning islam. They're always different from the common questions. From yoga in islam, interfaith marriages, and now this one. I think this is the first time I've ever heard this question before.

As for your question, it seems to be traditional. I used to say Muhammad all the time when I was young, without saying peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, until I heard others saying otherwise. So I just started to say it because it was a common practice by the Imams and most muslims. Yet, I noticed that when it came to other prophets, many muslims didn't say the same for other prophets.

So it seems to be traditional. It has nothing to do with any islamic teaching. You can say Hazrat Eve or Aisha, or use it for any other woman, if you like.

My question was-Why was Hazrath Adam(AS) (the Male) created first and not Hazrath Eve(AS) (the Female)?

xxx

 

[Fatihah]

Thank you Fatihah for the response ...

But your reply still dont answer my question :S...

xxx

Response: Well I was not aware that I had to give a certain answer, but rather my own answer.

 

[ZoyaHayat]

despite the shoddy poor claims of sexism...

Adam was created first...

if we look deeper.. we find that Adam is neither male or female..
he is the divine perfected first being...

as such there is no man or woman until adam the original (adam kadmon)
becomes adam and eve.....

....

In the religious writings of Kabbalah, Adam Ḳadmon is a phrase meaning "father time," or "Primal Man". The oldest rabbinical source for the term "Adam ha-Ḳadmoni" is Num. R. x., where Adam is styled, not as usually, "Ha-Rishon" (the first), "Ha-Kadmoni" (the original).
It is said that Adam Ḳadmon had rays of light projecting from his eyes. In Lurianic Kabbalah, Adam Ḳadmon acquired an exalted status equivalent to Purusha in the Upanishads, denoting the Manifest Absolute itself, and 'Adam Soul', the primeval Soul that contained all human souls, is described in different terms in this variant of mythopoetic cosmogenesis and anthropogenesis.
Adam Ḳadmon is comparable to the Anthropos of Gnosticism and Manichaeism. There is also a similar concept in Alevi and Sufic philosophy called Insan-i Kamil, the Perfect or Complete Man.

The Primeval Man (Protanthropos, Adam) occupies a prominent place in several Gnostic systems. According to Irenaeus[17] the Aeon Autogenes emits the true and perfect Anthrôpos, also called Adamas; he has a helpmate, "Perfect Knowledge", and receives an irresistible force, so that all things rest in him. Others say[18] there is a blessed and incorruptible and endless light in the power of Bythos; this is the Father of all things who is invoked as the First Man, who, with his Ennoia, emits "the Son of Man", or Euteranthrôpos.
According to Valentinus, Adam was created in the name of Anthrôpos and overawes the demons by the fear of the pre-existent man (tou proontos anthropou). In the Valentinian syzygies and in the Marcosian system we meet in the fourth (originally the third) place Anthrôpos and Ecclesia.
In the Pistis Sophia the Aeon Jeu is called the First Man, he is the overseer of the Light, messenger of the First Precept, and constitutes the forces of the Heimarmene. In the Books of Jeu this "great Man" is the King of the Light-treasure, he is enthroned above all things and is the goal of all souls.
According to the Naassenes, the Protanthropos is the first element; the fundamental being before its differentiation into individuals. "The Son of Man" is the same being after it has been individualized into existing things and thus sunk into matter.
The Gnostic Anthrôpos, therefore, or Adamas, as it is sometimes called, is a cosmogonic element, pure mind as distinct from matter, mind conceived hypostatically as emanating from God and not yet darkened by contact with matter. This mind is considered as the reason of humanity, or humanity itself, as a personified idea, a category without corporeality, the human reason conceived as the World-Soul. The same idea, somewhat modified, occurs in Hermetic literature, especially the Poimandres.

extract from

Adam Kadmon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mr Cheese thank you for sharing some amazing information ...

But it bewilders me-if Hazrath Adam(AS) was nor male nor female before the birth of Hazrath Eve(AS)...then why was he called 'Man' in the three Abrahamic religions?

:S xxx

 

[Mr Cheese]

İnsan-ı Kamil is an important Alevi concept of the prototype human being, pure consciousness, our true identity, to be contrasted with the material human who is bound by its senses and materialism. A human task is to fully realize this state while still in material human form and thus become liberated from sin.
Insan-i Kamil, loosely translated as the "Perfect Man" or "Perfect Human Being", is derived from the Arabic Al-Insān al-Kāmil (الاسان الكا&#1605, which is rendered as Insan-i Kamil (انسانِ كام&#1604 in Persian and as Kamil İnsan or İnsan-ı Kamil in Turkish. It is an important concept in Islamic theology, and especially various forms of Islamic piety. For a more complete discussion of the term, see the related entry Al-Insān al-Kāmil.
Somewhat comparable to the Purusha of Samkhya Hinduism and the Adam Kadmon of Lurianic Kabbalah, it also has similarities with the Anthropos of Gnosticism and Manichaeism.
Today's Alevis would define the perfect human in practical terms as one who is in full moral control of his or her hands, tongue and loins (eline diline beline sahip), treats all kinds of people equally (yetmiş iki millete aynı gözle bakar), and serves the interests of others. It is the goal of all Alevis to achieve the moral standards of the perfect human being. One who has achieved this kind of enlightenment is also named Eren or Munavver.
This concept is often explained as the esoteric meaning behind practicing the Sharia, as well as explaining the Qur'anic concept of human beings not having original sin, because the centre of consciousness is pure and perfect. However, esoteric explanations (known as Batini Ta'wil) are commonplace and varied among Alevis due to the plurality of meanings.

İnsan-ı Kamil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Mr Cheese]

Mr Cheese thank you for sharing some amazing information ...

But it bewilders me-if Hazrath Adam(AS) was nor male nor female before the birth of Hazrath Eve(AS)...then why was he called 'Man' in the three Abrahamic religions?

:S xxx

language...

man as in mankind
man as in person

Just as Allah is named as a HE
a true Muslim knows that Allah is not he or she, as Allah is beyond such confines of language

 

[ZoyaHayat]

Well, give me a soapbox and I tend to jump on.

It would not be unreasonable to conclude that is the case.

It is very hard to say, as there was no well developed historical record to look to in order to find out. These were people who did not have widely used written languages. We may never know why people moved, en masse, from these old religions. It may have been that the high priestesses overplayed their hand or got caught doing something that could not be adequately explained. As I say, it is hard to say for sure. However, theoretically, it must have been something that exposed them to the core for the men to react with such unyielding venom.

In theory, the men simply used their natural physical strength to brutally suppress women because of the actions of these priestesses. It certainly explains why women have been looked down on over the last 6000 years. I guess men hold grudges longer than women. :sad4:

Thank you YmirGF for your answers xxx

 

[ZoyaHayat]

language...

man as in mankind
man as in person

Just as Allah is named as a HE
a true Muslim knows that Allah is not he or she, as Allah is beyond such confines of language

Hmmmmmmmm Mr Cheese indeed you are correct ...

But Allah is formless...Hazrath Adam(AS) was created in a 'Male' form with a masculine identity-why,if he was sexless?...

xxx