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Why I shouldn't be astonished for those why deny a creator for such elaborated universe
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YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
If you think the universe and all that is therein is miraculous with a god orchestrating you ought to get a glimpse of just how fantastic it all is WITHOUT a god driving. It's pretty remarkable.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
There is no evidence for a creator. Why would a creator play nice and seek?
Sir Doom
Cooler than most of you
Because that isn't an obvious fact. If I see a dragon in the clouds it doesn't mean someone carved a dragon out of clouds. It means I can see what I like. Your imagination works with or without your consent.
74x12
Well-Known Member
Many of them simply don't want to see it.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Because not a lot of us see something supernatually grand when seeing the universe. Awe, yes. God? Creator, no.
Probably innate. Not all have "the shinin' "
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Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
That doesnt make sense. How do you not want to see something that does not exist?
74x12
Well-Known Member
Because you don't want it to exist?
Because they don't need a creator to come into existence? Gravity makes the stars, planets, moons, and galaxies quite well and is a natural force.
Why do you think something *other* than nature is required?
I have studied the issue and don't see it. It isn't because I don't want to, but because the evidence I've seen actually argues against that interpretation.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Because you don't want it to exist?
How does that make any sense?
Can you explain that some more?
The reasons vary. Some have already given some in this thread. I'll add another to their contributions. Some religious traditions don't draw a line between "creator" and "creation." Instead, they find all things have a way in the making or nature of all other things. Put another way, there's no "creator" that can be pointed to that is separate from the rest of the universe.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
"I don't understand, therefore god."
magid
Member
Think why there is a dragon, cloud & who created your vision to see,your brain to think & how come you feel that you are Sir Doom...ect
magid
Member
Yes
magid
Member
& Why not
An elaborated organized system is very very much unlikely to come by chance.
In another way it is started & maintained by creator & sustainer.
magid
Member
See verse No. 21 (Chapter 51-Noble Quran) with multiple translations below;
وَفِي أَنْفُسِكُمْ ۚ أَفَلَا تُبْصِرُونَ
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21 Az-Zariyat
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English
As also in your own selves: Will ye not then see?
ASAD-English
just as [there are signs thereof] within your own selves: can you not, then, see?
Pickthall-English
And (also) in yourselves. Can ye then not see?
Qaribullah-English
and also in yourselves. Can you not see?
US-English
And (you have signs) in your own persons. Have you no eyes to perceive
Shakir-English
And in your own souls (too); will you not then see?
Tafsir al-Jalalayn -English
and in your souls, there are also signs, from the beginning of your creation to its end, and in the marvelous aspects of your creation. Will you not then perceive?, [all] that and thus infer therefrom the Creator of it and His power.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Claiming that they should see it is what almost all religions do. Of course all religions want you to see something different.
There is a saying about religions that you might want to consider:
Only one at the most can be right, but they all can be wrong.
Coming about through the action of nature and natural laws is not the same as coming about by chance. The force of gravity, for example, will naturally and consistently make large enough objects (like planets and stars) into spheres. At the atomic level, different atoms have different properties which combine to produce great complexity *through natural laws*. No 'creator' or 'sustainer' is required: just nature.