Why is divination considered a sin to Christians?

[Zita]

Perhaps you’re unfamiliar with the Christian position? All other means to what God blesses us with are counterfeits.

I am aware of the Christian position that is why I got out of "Christian world" because of the fact yall think yall are the "right" ones! well guess what? I don't think yall are!! the only thing yall are; is conditioned to believe in words on the pages of that book, It is the Law and that others are wrong cause they don't, so you limit God to a book, like I can't reach him through other means. wow, you Christians .......

 

[sooda]

They spoke with Jesus, and he cast them out...didn't he?

Jesus is said to have healed people who were "afflicted".. Could be mental illness or epilepsy.. Some churches teach about the devil and demons.. I think that's all hogwash.

In the Bronze age they didn't know much about germs or viruses, brain turmors or accidental poisonings.. so it was all either about demons or the devil..

Even today idiots like Falwell and Pat Robertson claim that natural disasters like hurricanes are God's wrath on whore and homosexuals.

 

[Zita]

God has warnings in the scriptures against occult practices because these are illegitimate and dangerous ways to attempt access to divine knowledge and wisdom. Illegitimate because God wants people to come to directly, personally to Him to seek spiritual wisdom and dangerous because when one tries to access the spiritual realm in through other means they are then open to deception by powerful, malevolent evil spiritual beings. Below are some resources on the topic if you are interested...

https://www.amazon.com/Inside-New-Age-Nightmare-Dramatic/dp/0910311587

Can you make your point without something that doesn't come from that bible?

 

[nPeace]

In my opinion, one of the first things we need to do - if we want to combine our faith with logic and reason - is recognize that there are many contradictions in the Bible, and we really have no way of knowing whether it's all the "Word of God" all the word of Man (literally, just men 40+ of them!), or a combination of both. Instead of rising to the challenge of thinking for ourselves and keeping an open mind, we latch on to a given scripture\passage as if God told it to us personally - just now! - and totally disregard other passages that directly or indirectly contradict it...or suggest other interpretations.

I think in agreement with you, it is important - reasonable - to use logic and reason with evidence based faith. Apparently though, there is a difference between the opinions of millions of "Christians".
Whereas some think they have good reason to believe the Bible contains contradictions, some think they have good reason to believe the Bible contains no contradiction - only what appears that way, due to perhaps in some cases, one's viewpoint, or understanding.
While some think they have good reason to believe they "really have no way of knowing whether it's all the "Word of God" all the word of Man (literally, just men 40+ of them!), or a combination of both", some believe they have solid evidence that what the apostles Paul and Peter said, is 100% true, when they said...
(2 Timothy 3:16, 17) 16 All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work. . .
(2 Peter 1:20, 21) 20 For you know this first, that no prophecy of Scripture springs from any private interpretation. 21 For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were moved by holy spirit.

So contrary to the view of some who doubt the truthfulness and reliability of scripture, many millions have used reason (soundness of mind) and their thinking ability, to conclude that the Bible is truly "the word of God, and they are able to solidly stand behind that conclusion.

In this case, yes there are passages that deem divination as evil - e.g. Deuteronomy 18:10 "There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer". But in Genesis 41, Joseph Interprets Pharaoh's Dreams by supernatural means (otherwise how else could he have interpreted them), which is a form of divination. Furthermore, he was handsomely rewarded for this divination - by both man and God.

In Matthew 2 the three wise men tell Herod that the King of the Jews would be born in Bethlehem: “In Bethlehem of Judea, for thus it is written by the prophet:" What is prophecy, but another form of divination, i.e. telling the future by supernatural means. In 2 Corinthian 12:10 prophecy is listed as one of the spiritual GIFTS!: to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. Maybe what you are doing, Zita, with the tarot cards, astrology and so forth is using YOUR spiritual gifts.

I think that how we USE our spiritual gifts is infinitely more important that the labels we use to define them - especially when it's based on only considering SOME of what the Bible says on the matter.

The practice of divination is different to looking to the creator of the universe - the grand instructor - for direction, guidance, knowledge, understanding and wisdom.
According to the Bible, God reveals - according to his own will - what man needs to know.
Apparently this is different to one using tarot cards and other means, in order to acquire knowledge.
However, for one who does not trust the Bible, it is quite obvious they would look to other means, and what else would we expect they will turn to, but divination - spiritism?
The Bible reveals this throughout.

Divination - Source
Practitioners of divination believe that superhuman gods reveal the future to those trained to read and interpret certain signs and omens, which, they say, are communicated in various ways: By celestial phenomena (the position and movement of stars and planets, eclipses, meteors), by terrestrial physical forces (wind, storms, fire), by behavior of creatures (howling of dogs, flight of birds, movement of snakes), by patterns of tea leaves in cups, by oil configurations on water, by the direction falling arrows take, by the appearance of body parts of sacrificed animals (liver, lungs, entrails), by the lines in the palm of the hand, by the casting of lots, and by the “spirits” of the dead.

Man’s natural desire to know the future is satisfied when he worships and serves his Grand Creator, for through God’s channel of communication He lovingly reveals ahead of time what it is good for man to know. (Amos 3:7) However, when men turn away from Jehovah and become alienated from the only One who knows the end from the beginning, they easily fall victim to spiritistic demon influence. Saul is such a striking example, one who at first looked to Jehovah for knowledge of future events but who, after being cut off from all contact with God because of his unfaithfulness, turned to the demons as a substitute for divine guidance.—1 Samuel 28:6, 7; 1 Chronicles 10:13, 14.

A sharp distinction, therefore, exists between revealed truth from God and information obtained by divination. Those who turn to the latter are often seized in violent convulsions by invisible demonic powers, sometimes working themselves into a frenzy by weird music and certain drugs. No such physical or mental distortions are experienced by true servants of Jehovah when moved by holy spirit to speak. (Ac 6:15; 2 Peter 1:21) God’s prophets in a sense of duty spoke freely without payment; the pagan diviners plied their trade for selfish personal gain.

Nowhere in the Bible is any form of divination given a good connotation. Many times in the same condemnatory texts spiritistic practices of divination are spoken of together with adultery and fornication. (2 Kings 9:22; Nahum 3:4; Malachi 3:5; Galatians 5:19, 20; Revelation 9:21; 21:8; 22:15) In God’s eyes divination is comparable to the sin of rebellion. (1 Samuel 15:23) It is, therefore, unscriptural to speak of Jehovah’s communication with his servants as a manifestation of “good” divination.

I see it, as we either trust the Bible,or we don't.
If we don't trust it, we will trust something else.
My question is, if you question whether the Bible is God's word, should you not even more so, question what you are getting yourself into, when you disobey a direct command from the scriptures? What are you really tapping into? Who is really communicating with you?

I see it like this...
Someone is given a manual, for an item.
However, they doubt that the manual can help them, so they listen to what others say, which contradicts the manual.
Apparently though, some find the manual misleading.
Contrary to this, I find it works perfectly.
I would not mind if you pointed out some or all of those contradictions you find in the Bible. In fact, I am sure some have been discussed on these forums already.

 

[nPeace]

and how do you know that the bible you read was not written by a pretender acting as they care, so it can control all humans so that they and not know there are other ways to access your higher power and the spiritual world for real spiritual guidance and really live abundantly.

Good question.
No one person wrote the Bible, as you know.
Forty different writers over a period of hundreds of lifetimes.
The writings of these forty individuals when combined as one book (the Bible) has one harmonious theme that runs from beginning to end, all claiming one divine author... by name.
That is just one of the many pieces of evidence.

 

[Zita]

Good question.
No one person wrote the Bible, as you know.
Forty different writers over a period of hundreds of lifetimes.
The writings of these forty individuals when combined as one book (the Bible) has one harmonious theme that runs from beginning to end, all claiming one divine author... by name.
That is just one of the many pieces of evidence.

ok, well you don't know the forty different writers were stating a fact you can only go by what they wrote,and of course it's all the same harmonious theme,to those who live by the bible,it's doing what is suppose to do;be convincing just like yall described evil spirits do!!and to control the people so it tells you not to do this and don't do that, if you do you are outside of God! I can't never be outside of God we are as one.)but that's another thread.anyway I'm just not buying it, the christian world can quote me scriptures till they tuen blue in the face;I refuse to believe something that has not been proven for a fact.

 

[Sky Rivers]

I had a friend who had "a guide" who was quite beautiful. When he started to consider Jesus, the next time he went to "the beautiful guide" it transformed into something hideous which said "you will never get rid of me!".

but Jesus delivered him.

It’s as if you’re at a feast. Everything looks delicious and beautiful. However, if you dare consider Christ and open your eyes to see the food before you for what it is, it will be rotten and hideous. Why? It’s all deception and you’ve been eating rotten fruit the whole time.

The simple truth is these entities, no matter how kind or beautiful they appear, only seek to keep you from God.

 

[Sky Rivers]

more quotes you get from unproven statements out the bible .just like you don't believe in Divination,I don't believe in scriptures, I believe in what I know is true from actual experiences that I've personally been through.and I know how God speaks to me! thank goodness he knows not everyone is gonna contact him from that book,he created me, so he knows the deal.

Our personal experiences are exactly that, personal. Are you above being deceived? These entities are far more intelligent than you. You honestly think you can’t be fooled? That you aren’t?

 

[Sky Rivers]

can I ask way you why you feel only demons exist in the spiritual realm? cause that's all you are talking about!! you are among those people who would contact the evil side of divination because you don't believe anything good could be of it. I however know for a fact that blessings from God come out of the spiritual realm when I use my cards. are you forgetting that Angels operate from the spiritual realm? Did you for get about them?

The ONLY “angels” (messengers) you are contacting by Tarot and such things are FALLEN. You asked our opinion on why divination is a sin. We told you and now you’re busy arguing about how we’re wrong. You know we aren’t wrong and it’s likely why you asked us.

 

[Zita]

I think in agreement with you, it is important - reasonable - to use logic and reason with evidence based faith. Apparently though, there is a difference between the opinions of millions of "Christians".
Whereas some think they have good reason to believe the Bible contains contradictions, some think they have good reason to believe the Bible contains no contradiction - only what appears that way, due to perhaps in some cases, one's viewpoint, or understanding.
While some think they have good reason to believe they "really have no way of knowing whether it's all the "Word of God" all the word of Man (literally, just men 40+ of them!), or a combination of both", some believe they have solid evidence that what the apostles Paul and Peter said, is 100% true, when they said...
(2 Timothy 3:16, 17) 16 All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work. . .
(2 Peter 1:20, 21) 20 For you know this first, that no prophecy of Scripture springs from any private interpretation. 21 For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were moved by holy spirit.

So contrary to the view of some who doubt the truthfulness and reliability of scripture, many millions have used reason (soundness of mind) and their thinking ability, to conclude that the Bible is truly "the word of God, and they are able to solidly stand behind that conclusion.


The practice of divination is different to looking to the creator of the universe - the grand instructor - for direction, guidance, knowledge, understanding and wisdom.
According to the Bible, God reveals - according to his own will - what man needs to know.
Apparently this is different to one using tarot cards and other means, in order to acquire knowledge.
However, for one who does not trust the Bible, it is quite obvious they would look to other means, and what else would we expect they will turn to, but divination - spiritism?
The Bible reveals this throughout.

Divination - Source
Practitioners of divination believe that superhuman gods reveal the future to those trained to read and interpret certain signs and omens, which, they say, are communicated in various ways: By celestial phenomena (the position and movement of stars and planets, eclipses, meteors), by terrestrial physical forces (wind, storms, fire), by behavior of creatures (howling of dogs, flight of birds, movement of snakes), by patterns of tea leaves in cups, by oil configurations on water, by the direction falling arrows take, by the appearance of body parts of sacrificed animals (liver, lungs, entrails), by the lines in the palm of the hand, by the casting of lots, and by the “spirits” of the dead.

Man’s natural desire to know the future is satisfied when he worships and serves his Grand Creator, for through God’s channel of communication He lovingly reveals ahead of time what it is good for man to know. (Amos 3:7) However, when men turn away from Jehovah and become alienated from the only One who knows the end from the beginning, they easily fall victim to spiritistic demon influence. Saul is such a striking example, one who at first looked to Jehovah for knowledge of future events but who, after being cut off from all contact with God because of his unfaithfulness, turned to the demons as a substitute for divine guidance.—1 Samuel 28:6, 7; 1 Chronicles 10:13, 14.

A sharp distinction, therefore, exists between revealed truth from God and information obtained by divination. Those who turn to the latter are often seized in violent convulsions by invisible demonic powers, sometimes working themselves into a frenzy by weird music and certain drugs. No such physical or mental distortions are experienced by true servants of Jehovah when moved by holy spirit to speak. (Ac 6:15; 2 Peter 1:21) God’s prophets in a sense of duty spoke freely without payment; the pagan diviners plied their trade for selfish personal gain.

Nowhere in the Bible is any form of divination given a good connotation. Many times in the same condemnatory texts spiritistic practices of divination are spoken of together with adultery and fornication. (2 Kings 9:22; Nahum 3:4; Malachi 3:5; Galatians 5:19, 20; Revelation 9:21; 21:8; 22:15) In God’s eyes divination is comparable to the sin of rebellion. (1 Samuel 15:23) It is, therefore, unscriptural to speak of Jehovah’s communication with his servants as a manifestation of “good” divination.

I see it, as we either trust the Bible,or we don't.
If we don't trust it, we will trust something else.
My question is, if you question whether the Bible is God's word, should you not even more so, question what you are getting yourself into, when you disobey a direct command from the scriptures? What are you really tapping into? Who is really communicating with you?

I see it like this...
Someone is given a manual, for an item.
However, they doubt that the manual can help them, so they listen to what others say, which contradicts the manual.
Apparently though, some find the manual misleading.
Contrary to this, I find it works perfectly.
I would not mind if you pointed out some or all of those contradictions you find in the Bible. In fact, I am sure some have been discussed on these forums already.

Nope I don't believe that the only way to tap into God is a Book!!! I don't care what Christians say there is more to God and life then what it says! and I don't have to wonder who I am tapping in to I know!!! The all powerful Creator that man put a name too!!! I don't need to convince yall, as long as I know the truth for myself. boy oh boy I was right when I said to myself they gonna really jump on this;and yall did.

 

[Sky Rivers]

ok, well you don't know the forty different writers were stating a fact you can only go by what they wrote,and of course it's all the same harmonious theme,to those who live by the bible,it's doing what is suppose to do;be convincing just like yall described evil spirits do!!and to control the people so it tells you not to do this and don't do that, if you do you are outside of God! I can't never be outside of God we are as one.)but that's another thread.anyway I'm just not buying it, the christian world can quote me scriptures till they tuen blue in the face;I refuse to believe something that has not been proven for a fact.

Just what commandment in scripture do you disagree with? Just what commandment is “controlling people”? Come off it!

 

[Zita]

Our personal experiences are exactly that, personal. Are you above being deceived? These entities are far more intelligent than you. You honestly think you can’t be fooled? That you aren’t?

Just like you are so sure you can't be fooled? and don't bring in the intelligent part!!I'm intelligent enough to see that brainwashing is real!!

 

[Zita]

Just what commandment in scripture do you disagree with? Just what commandment is “controlling people”? Come off it!

!Yall obey the Commandments because the bible says moses wrote them!!so you are suppose to; Control!!!!! I obey cause I got common sense

 

[Zita]

The ONLY “angels” (messengers) you are contacting by Tarot and such things are FALLEN. You asked our opinion on why divination is a sin. We told you and now you’re busy arguing about how we’re wrong. You know we aren’t wrong and it’s likely why you asked us.

you defend your take on it why can't I state mine?

 

[Zita]

See that's what we mean yall Christians swear you know it all and that you are right,case closed, well you got the right one now!! I,'ve said my peace, yall are all saying the same thing and no one is convincing me that what yall say is all right. and it's nice to see what Godly folks yall are when you throw insults and judging people!!go to know you can act that way now that is being a Christian. !!! But at least I know now why yall think Divination is the same, so I got my answer.Pasted down information and because the bible says so!! Thanks

 

[Zita]

The ONLY “angels” (messengers) you are contacting by Tarot and such things are FALLEN. You asked our opinion on why divination is a sin. We told you and now you’re busy arguing about how we’re wrong. You know we aren’t wrong and it’s likely why you asked us.

oh yea, I thought its called two different people that have different opinions.!! cause I'm not arguing! were you?

 

[Zita]

It’s as if you’re at a feast. Everything looks delicious and beautiful. However, if you dare consider Christ and open your eyes to see the food before you for what it is, it will be rotten and hideous. Why? It’s all deception and you’ve been eating rotten fruit the whole time.

The simple truth is these entities, no matter how kind or beautiful they appear, only seek to keep you from God.

ok, blah,blah blah.

 

[Jos]

Some call that the black flame, I personally don't bother with naming it, it is what it is.

What's the black flame?

 

[Zita]

why don't yall just copy the other and paste it, since yall all think alike,non of yall have a individual reason. That's why I love being who I am,an individual with individual thoughts and reason and it's all good with my Higher Power that Created me,really that's all that matters.

 

[Zita]

What's the black flame?

I have no idea, what it is?