why is ego good?

[Pann]

i always like the LHP style, but why is ego good
ego is just the voice in your head bossing us around, from what i understand the LHP is about freedom, but if we empower our Ego we just become friggen Slaves!
if our ego is quiet, we become unpredictable and fearless, this allows us to go anywhere and do anything we want. the Ego is just spam in the brain, why would that be good?

im looking for feedback here, back in highschool i used to practice lucifarian ideology(which is about empowering the self), but switched to Yoga(which is about removing obstacles so that the self can be all-powerful). i figured if ya know were im comin from youll understand my question.

 

[Zanuku]

 

[Huey09]

In me, myself and I's humble opinions you sir are hilarious

 

[Pann]

lmafo thats awesome...

well i guess that is ego, a schizophrenia that spans 99% of the human race

 

[Iti oj]

Ego icreative force! Freedom.. power. Self. Autotheism. Passion.

 

[Adramelek]

im looking for feedback here, back in highschool i used to practice lucifarian ideology(which is about empowering the self), but switched to Yoga(which is about removing obstacles so that the self can be all-powerful). i figured if ya know were im comin from youll understand my question.

Those sound similar to some of the essential elements in Setian philosophy whose main principle is Xeper= To Come Into Being. The premise of which is the achievement of absolute/divine self-hood. Gratification of the ego is not enough.

Xeper.
/Adramelek\

 

[Iti oj]

Those sound similar to some of the essential elements in Setian philosophy whose main principle is Xeper= To Come Into Being. The premise of which is the achievement of absolute/divine self-hood. Gratification of the ego is not enough.

Xeper.
/Adramelek\

This. Especially the last sentence. I think that might be the key philisophical difference. Ego is not the answer but the tool.

 

[crossfire]

A few points as to why ego is necessary:

• Survival
  
  Self preservation when the intellect is not fully functioning--producing subconscious fears of what might be dangerous or desires for what might be beneficial​
• Development of intellect
  
  Ego processes give something for the intellect to examine, developing discernment and reason​
• Development of empathy
  
  Understanding ones own fears, desires, hopes, suffering, and goals helps to understand these same things that others also must deal with​
• Appreciation of the uniqueness of individual beings, of individual circumstances, and of individual moments of time
  
  Ego and intellect developing together allows us to realize that we are all in the same boat, yet we each have our own unique approach to life, our own unique circumstances, and our own unique way of self-preservation. It allows us to be open to different views and perspectives, which we can examine, test, and either adopt for ourselves if it would be beneficial for us, or not adopt for ourselves, but recognize that it might be good for the other individual in their own unique set of circumstances and stage of development, and respect that.​

 

[Adramelek]

A few points as to why ego is necessary:

• Survival
  
  Self preservation when the intellect is not fully functioning--producing subconscious fears of what might be dangerous or desires for what might be beneficial
  ​
• Development of intellect
  
  Ego processes give something for the intellect to examine, developing discernment and reason
  ​
• Development of empathy
  
  Understanding ones own fears, desires, hopes, suffering, and goals helps to understand these same things that others also must deal with
  ​
• Appreciation of the uniqueness of individual beings, of individual circumstances, and of individual moments of time
  
  Ego and intellect developing together allows us to realize that we are all in the same boat, yet we each have our own unique approach to life, our own unique circumstances, and our own unique way of self-preservation. It allows us to be open to different views and perspectives, which we can examine, test, and either adopt for ourselves if it would be beneficial for us, or not adopt for ourselves, but recognize that it might be good for the other individual in their own unique set of circumstances and stage of development, and respect that.
  ​

You won't get much of an argument from me here Crossfire, you might even get a frubal or two. All aspects of the psyche are important - consciousness, ego, id, intellect, higher intelligence. They all are essential and should be studied.

Xeper.
/Adramelek\

 

[crossfire]

All aspects of the psyche are important - consciousness, ego, id, intellect, higher intelligence. They all are essential and should be studied.

Xeper.
/Adramelek\

Agreed. :yes:

 

[Pann]

well thought itself is not at all bad, but its fluid, it comes and goes. Ego is thought solidified in the head, it plain english Ego is the identification of the thought as Me
for example; no body was born with a name, our parents kept spoon feeding us a name, until eventually we said "well im John(or any name)". but really we are the thing observing this thought. in the same way we experience the body so much we feel we actually are the body.

i really dig LHP, but people into many forms of the LHP talk about empowering Ego. But the more you empower the Ego the more Mortal you are.
without Ego you are the infinite void or spirit or whatever, with Ego your(or me or anybody) just some nobody human with emotional problems, no different than the rest. lol

 

[Pann]

thinking is not a bad thing, its when thoughts become your identity

 

[crossfire]

thinking is not a bad thing, its when thoughts become your identity

Or when your role as an observer becomes your identity.

 

[Pann]

well i didnt want to go to far with it, but yeah if the mind uses a faith, or set of ideas to explain the Truth(with a capital T) then it forms its own identity, and then anyone who disagrees with your religion or tradition are suddenly completely wrong in everyway

in reality the observer is nothing, or NO-thing, its empty space; and since 'I" occupy no space at all, i exist everywhere at once... but that is getting into a heavy metaphysics.

any identity even the identity of a silent witness is still ego. i just try to be myself and be as unstructured as possible. Why? so that im free of limitations, such as this or that.

but not everyone agrees with this brains ideas, i was just curious why Ego is Considered a good thing by some

 

[1137]

back in highschool i used to practice lucifarian ideology(which is about empowering the self), but switched to Yoga(which is about removing obstacles so that the self can be all-powerful). i figured if ya know were im comin from youll understand my question.

It's about both. This idea of ego worship is more tied to LaVey and spinoffs.

 

[Orias]

i always like the LHP style, but why is ego good
ego is just the voice in your head bossing us around, from what i understand the LHP is about freedom, but if we empower our Ego we just become friggen Slaves!
if our ego is quiet, we become unpredictable and fearless, this allows us to go anywhere and do anything we want. the Ego is just spam in the brain, why would that be good?

im looking for feedback here, back in highschool i used to practice lucifarian ideology(which is about empowering the self), but switched to Yoga(which is about removing obstacles so that the self can be all-powerful). i figured if ya know were im comin from youll understand my question.

Tell me, do you mumble under your breathe sometimes when other people are talking?

 

[Straw Dog]

Ego is just self-reporting. It wouldn't have come about if it didn't have a certain degree of functionality. Of course, there is no perfection without defect and some reports are hyped-up with sensationalism and deception, especially if the ruling faculty isn't vigilant.

I believe the big dance is more about engaging one's skills and enriching the ego with positive experiences than it is directly about enlightenment.

 

[Whiterain]

Unless it's a defense machinism ego is great, normal. It's part of your personality, that gem most people don't
have.

 

[The Wizard]

well thought itself is not at all bad, but its fluid, it comes and goes. Ego is thought solidified in the head, it plain english Ego is the identification of the thought as Me
for example; no body was born with a name, our parents kept spoon feeding us a name, until eventually we said "well im John(or any name)". but really we are the thing observing this thought. in the same way we experience the body so much we feel we actually are the body.

i really dig LHP, but people into many forms of the LHP talk about empowering Ego. But the more you empower the Ego the more Mortal you are.
without Ego you are the infinite void or spirit or whatever, with Ego your(or me or anybody) just some nobody human with emotional problems, no different than the rest. lol

My meditations gave me close to this exact insight. Ego may be a vast department. I had to finally realize my mind was showing me what I am not, instead of what I am. Or who I am not instead of who I am. Unknowingly, I would react in knee jerk defense for no reason.

And, on another note, if one identifies their self with their thoughts and ideas then they will have great problems accepting defeat or being shown when they are false or wrong on something. They become poor learners and cannot fluidly improve. They take everything personal because they are identifying themselves too much as the thing in their mind...imo.

Yes, the me, me function is a blind fool on autopilot.
I am not my thoughts or what I observe... I am only the observer..

 

[Whiterain]

After reading 'The Wizards' reply I had articulated a long and drawn out response on this as well.

Character building, personality, rebuilding one's-self, society, monks.

I came to the point - status quo. Look at those that do practice self consciousness and rebuilding in a
positive sense and those that you may think practice it in a negative sense.

Some people are self conscious to better themselves spiritually and physically - Monks.

Some people are self conscious to fit in, going into whatever profile in society.

The practice of overcoming the ego is an excellent practice in an environment where you could meet
defeat, to avoid humiliation, my sense of ego is in humor for instance.