Why is Islam so dangerous?

[sooda]

Why would he when they are valuable commodities?

Absolutely... Raiding for livestock and wives in Sudan was a way of life for a thousand years.

 

[sooda]

I have just finished watching this –

He knows what he is talking about but I wonder if the people that matter will listen.

Carl Goldberg - Islamophobia
www.islamophobia.org/islamophobic-individuals/carl-goldberg/73...
Carl Goldberg is a member of the Arizona chapter of ACT for America. He is a self-styled "Islam expert" and is known for his speeches misrepresenting Islam to wide audiences. According to an announcement for an October 2013 ACT event, Goldberg would prove that “Islam is not just a religion but also a totalitarian and imperialistic ideology.”



Horowitz is a professional hater since the 1980s.. He was a red diaper baby from Queens.

 

[sooda]

Ahmadiyya or moderates in Canada?

Amadiyya .. They are a small Punjabi sect, aren't they?

 

[Shad]

Amadiyya .. They are a small Punjabi sect, aren't they?

It started there but spread out a lot due to issues in Pakistan and other hardliner states. There are a few members of the sect on RF if you are interested.

 

[Notanumber]

Carl Goldberg - Islamophobia
www.islamophobia.org/islamophobic-individuals/carl-goldberg/73...
Carl Goldberg is a member of the Arizona chapter of ACT for America. He is a self-styled "Islam expert" and is known for his speeches misrepresenting Islam to wide audiences. According to an announcement for an October 2013 ACT event, Goldberg would prove that “Islam is not just a religion but also a totalitarian and imperialistic ideology.”
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Is that supposed to be a credible and impartial source?

BTW, Islam is not just a religion but also a totalitarian and imperialistic ideology.

 

[sooda]

Is that supposed to be a credible and impartial source?

BTW, Islam is not just a religion but also a totalitarian and imperialistic ideology.

Well, if that's what you believe, that puts you in the same camp as Horowitz and Jihad Watch.

 

[charlie sc]

Any ideology that removes empathy for other people and/or groups is dangerous. Islam is particularly good at this.

 

[sooda]

Any ideology that removes empathy for other people and/or groups is dangerous. Islam is particularly good at this.

You must not have read the Koran or the Old Testament.

 

[charlie sc]

You must not have read the Koran or the Old Testament.

You must have missed the parts that condemn groups, classify people and create fear/paranoia.

 

[sooda]

You must have missed the parts that condemn groups, classify people and create fear/paranoia.

Like Amorites and Edomites and Midianites?

 

[charlie sc]

Like Amorites and Edomites and Midianites?

Like what the Quran says about disbelievers and polytheists.

 

[Salvador]

You could also visit Muslim websites or is it that they don’t support your bias that you consult anti Muslim websites?

If you do a proper investigation you’ll find that the problem lies not with the Quran but with the leaders of religion. It was Christian leaders who promoted wars not Jesus. It is some evil minded Mullas who promote terrorism not the Quran.

Do you really think religious leaders are all in tune with their Holy Writings? Look at all the child sexual abuse cases worldwide and the number of priests jailed. Where’s religion in that?

Jesus and Muhammad taught virtues, love, forgiveness, peace and unity not what some of these leaders teach.

There are NO verses in the Quran which support murder of innocents. All that is permitted is to defend oneself if attacked first.See Sura 2:190

Hadiths are not the Word of God and they are false if they contradict the Quran. Hundreds of thousands of falsified Hadiths have been destroyed because they are unreliable. But the Quran was compiled over 23 years during the lifetime of Muhammad and is authentic. And both Sunni and Shia agree on the Quran. But stories are not facts.

Imo, Islam is based mostly upon the Quran, which does teach men to oppress women (see Quran 2:282 and 4:34 ).

 

[sooda]

Like what the Quran says about disbelievers and polytheists.

They are to be left in peace unless they attack Muslims.

 

[sooda]

Imo, Islam is based mostly upon the Quran, which does teach men to oppress women (see Quran 2:282 and 4:34 ).

Quran 2:282

O believers! When you contract a loan for a fixed period of time, commit it to writing. Let the scribe maintain justice between the parties. The scribe should not refuse to write as Allah has taught them to write. They will write what the debtor dictates, bearing Allah in mind and not defrauding the debt.

 

[Salvador]

Quran 2:282

O believers! When you contract a loan for a fixed period of time, commit it to writing. Let the scribe maintain justice between the parties. The scribe should not refuse to write as Allah has taught them to write. They will write what the debtor dictates, bearing Allah in mind and not defrauding the debt.

....And bring to witness two witnesses from among your men. And if there are not two men [available], then a man and two women from those whom you accept as witnesses - so that if one of the women errs, then the other can remind her. And let not the witnesses refuse when they are called upon. And do not be [too] weary to write it, whether it is small or large, for its [specified] term. That is more just in the sight of Allah and stronger as evidence and more likely to prevent doubt between you, except when it is an immediate transaction which you conduct among yourselves. For [then] there is no blame upon you if you do not write it. And take witnesses when you conclude a contract. Let no scribe be harmed or any witness. For if you do so, indeed, it is [grave] disobedience in you. And fear Allah. And Allah teaches you. And Allah is Knowing of all things."

How sexist...a woman's testimony being worth half that of a man's testimony.

 

[sooda]

....And bring to witness two witnesses from among your men. And if there are not two men [available], then a man and two women from those whom you accept as witnesses - so that if one of the women errs, then the other can remind her. And let not the witnesses refuse when they are called upon. And do not be [too] weary to write it, whether it is small or large, for its [specified] term. That is more just in the sight of Allah and stronger as evidence and more likely to prevent doubt between you, except when it is an immediate transaction which you conduct among yourselves. For [then] there is no blame upon you if you do not write it. And take witnesses when you conclude a contract. Let no scribe be harmed or any witness. For if you do so, indeed, it is [grave] disobedience in you. And fear Allah. And Allah teaches you. And Allah is Knowing of all things."

Are you now an Islamic legal scholar? Gosh, without ever leaving home. Imagine that.

The other verse you referenced is about whipping the wife with a miswak and a silk handkerchief. 4:34

 

[Salvador]

Are you now an Islamic legal scholar? Gosh, without ever leaving home. Imagine that.

The other verse you referenced is about whipping the wife with a miswak and a silk handkerchief. 4:34

There's nothing in 4:34 about a silk handkerchief or miswak.

Various translations of 4:34:

"Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret what Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted, Great." (Pickthall)

"Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme." (Dawood)

"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whom part you fear disloyalty and ill conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance) for Allah is Most High, Great (above you all)." (Yusuf Ali)

"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great. " (M.H. Shakir)

 

[charlie sc]

They are to be left in peace unless they attack Muslims.

Is that all the Quran says about disbelievers and polytheists?

 

[sooda]

Is that all the Quran says about disbelievers and polytheists?

Depends on whether they make mischief in the land and attack Muslims. Its forbidden to kill an innocent person.. Jew, Christian or pagan.

 

[charlie sc]

Depends on whether they make mischief in the land and attack Muslims. Its forbidden to kill an innocent person.. Jew, Christian or pagan.

So the only thing the Quran says about disbelievers and polytheists are murder/killing/self-defence rules/laws?