Why is Islam so dangerous?

[Raymann]

Nothing The_Fisher_King said contradicted my statement, are you trying to be funny?

Oh, really?, then forgive my poor understanding of the English language.
The_Fisher_King said:
If we understand Shariah as being the legalistic bit, including the laws on criminal punishment, family law, etc., then one can absolutely separate Shariah from Islam.
Raymann said: ↑
You cannot separate Shariah from Islam. You responded: That is absolutely true
That seems to be a totally opposite view, I think it is you who is having trouble understanding English.

Nothing that we say will be good enough for Raymann, so why do we bother trying to say anything? This tread is the only one Raymann take part in. So it look like his agenda is to show hate toward Islam. And only his answer will ever be good enough.

My agenda is shown in the title of this thread. "Why is Islam so dangerous?
All you need to do is proving that there's no need to be afraid of Islam.
Prove that when the population of Muslims grows to be the majority we won't have to move elsewhere where we cannot be persecuted like the Christians are being persecuted in Egypt, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran and in most of the Muslim countries around the world.
Prove that the Jews are going to be able to stay in Europe even after the massive Muslim immigration.
Prove that we are not gonna have the religious tensions that are characteristic in most Muslim countries.
Prove that you are gonna stop fighting each other (sunnies, Shias) and endangering everybody around.
I guess you don't have any answers and you're resigned to deal with the violence when the violence comes.
Well, that's not good enough for me and I feel I need to tell what is happening and I need to hear somebody to tell me that I'm wrong if I am wrong.
Do I hate Islam? No, I don't, I don't even care about Islam as long as Muslims live their lives happily and let the rest of us live our lives happily.
Is that too much to ask?

 

[Firemorphic]

Don't misquote

 

[Raymann]

Don't misquote

Pay attention, I didn't misquote.

 

[Firemorphic]

That is absolutely true but absolutely not in the connotations you apply to it.

If we understand Shariah as being the legalistic bit, including the laws on criminal punishment, family law, etc., then one can absolutely separate Shariah from Islam.

Again, don't misquote.

P.S. get some glasses.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Why? Do you think a list of Christian atrocities would be helpful or just more of the same garbage?

Historically Jews were sometimes accused of killing Gentile infants....

Jews Eat Babies - dailykos.com
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2007/6/5/343448/-
Moreover, they eat Christian babies. And Muslim babies too. The jury is still out on whether they eat Jewish babies, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Jewish blood libel being deployed in an attempt to deflect criticism from Islam.

 

[sooda]

Jewish blood libel being deployed in an attempt to deflect criticism from Islam.

Blood libel was ugly and hateful. That's the point.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

You do know that it is not only Muslims who pull their kids out of classes where this is subject in class? You do know that Muslims are not the only ones who teaches that Homosexuality is unwholesome? But it seems like you guys are so obsessed with hating muslims that you can not see infront of you self that it is actually not uncommon in other parts of the world too.

These protests were started and are organised mostly by Muslims. They started because a Muslim mother withdrew her child from Parkfield Primary School in protest over the fact she's learning that gay people exist - but her mother and other Muslims have been given information by malicious third-parties saying their children are being groomed. To be clear: this is the 'gay indoctrination' trope which is homophobic & false. It's also worth pointing out that No Outsiders was taught there without incident for 4 years prior to this.

The protesters do have Christians and I think even some Jewish parents in their ranks. But let's be honest - they are in the minority and are hardly vocal. It's the Muslims accusing the headteacher of Anderton Park Primary School of being a paedophile and a "hater of Islam". It's the Muslims who are accusing the school of being Islamophobic for not kowtowing to their demands. It is the Muslims who accuse Birmingham City Council of Islamophobia for seeking an injunction to stop them protesting right outside the school gates and instead the closest they can protest now is the end of the street. It's the Muslims who claim erroneously this is 'silencing' their rights. It's the Muslims who condemn the No Outsiders curriculum - an anti-bullying resource - (and others like it) because they believe its contents go against Islam.

Because Parkfield Primary School agreed to suspend the teaching of No Outsiders indefinitely, the protests at that school have spread across England as Muslims try to stop their kids learning LGBTs exist.

In addition to the above, I'd like to point out I'm well-aware that these protesters are not all Muslims. They may not even be most Muslims. However a survey carried out a few of years ago found that 52% of British Muslims surveyed wanted homosexuality criminalised. This is an area where they contrasted sharply with non-Muslims.

I'd also like to point out that if these protests had been started by Christians they would have got made nowhere near the amount of headway these Muslim-led demonstrations have done. Further, if we had people protesting outside schools stating that RMPS lessons should drop Islam from the curriculum, they would probably be arrested for hate crimes or something.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Blood libel was ugly and hateful. That's the point.

I apologise for jumping the gun. I'm glad you were quoting in the context you did.

 

[Raymann]

Again, don't misquote.
P.S. get some glasses.

This is a childish game.
What matters here is the meaning.
The_Fisher_King meaning is: Under certain circumstances "Shariah can be separated from Islam"
Your meaning: Under no circumstances, "Shariah cannot be separated from Islam"
Did I get it right?
Let me ask you again:
Can Shariah be separated from Islam? (in the purest Islamic sense)

YES OR NO?

 

[Mark Sinista]

This is a childish game.
What matters here is the meaning.
The_Fisher_King meaning is: Under certain circumstances "Shariah can be separated from Islam"
Your meaning: Under no circumstances, "Shariah cannot be separated from Islam"
Did I get it right?
Let me ask you again:
Can Shariah be separated from Islam? (in the purest Islamic sense)

YES OR NO?

The word sharia is an arabic word from the material "sha-ra-ã (ش) (ر) (ع)" which Arabs use to originate a word referring to "the law".

Nowadays, Muslims use the word "Sharia" referring particularly to the "islamic law". For referring to the manmade law, Muslims use the Literal meaning of the word "law" which is "Qanon قانون"
So, the term "Sharia law" is a meaning. Means: A decision of Allah, he almighty wants Muslims to implement in particular issues.
now, Sharia law is based on the Quran and Islamic tradition (e.g., hadith, sunnah). As far as I know, only 15 countries out of 50 Muslim majority countries apply Shariah Law.

Though they are saying that Shariah is the law of God which is fully in the Quran, yet they include so-called 'Islamic traditions' which is corrupted and in many of the cases, contradicts the law of God itself.

It is my understanding that the "Shariah Law" (Quran & Islamic Traditions) we are talking about today is highly corrupted and have strayed away from the purest Islam.

so, YES.

Edit: but 'Shariah' as in only following God's law (from Quran), then No. I was talking about today's Shariah Law in general only before. It's a Yes and No I guess.

 

[Notanumber]

According to The Reliance of the Traveller, a Muslim will not face retaliation for killing a non-Muslim and the worth of a woman is half that of a man.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

When I said "Shariah cannot be separated from Islam", Firemorphic said pretty emphatically "That is absolutely true". and he claims to be a Muslim.

Depends on what one understands Shariah to encompass. There is Shariah as the legalistic stuff only, and there is Shariah as complete submission to God which can be taken to include the legalistic stuff, but doesn't have to be.

See the problem, you Muslims don't even understand your own religion

We Muslims can and do have different understandings of our religion (although I don't think Firemorphic and I are necessarily disagreeing here).

I guess you can ignore parts of Shariah like most Muslim countries do but that is incomprehensible to me

I personally ignore parts of Shariah because I don't think all of it applies all of the time in every place. Can't speak for the governments of Muslim majority countries.

 

[sooda]

According to The Reliance of the Traveller, a Muslim will not face retaliation for killing a non-Muslim and the worth of a woman is half that of a man.

You're talking about a book from the 14th century??

 

[The_Fisher_King]

My agenda is shown in the title of this thread. "Why is Islam so dangerous?
All you need to do is proving that there's no need to be afraid of Islam.
Prove that when the population of Muslims grows to be the majority we won't have to move elsewhere where we cannot be persecuted like the Christians are being persecuted in Egypt, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran and in most of the Muslim countries around the world.
Prove that the Jews are going to be able to stay in Europe even after the massive Muslim immigration.
Prove that we are not gonna have the religious tensions that are characteristic in most Muslim countries.
Prove that you are gonna stop fighting each other (sunnies, Shias) and endangering everybody around.
I guess you don't have any answers and you're resigned to deal with the violence when the violence comes.
Well, that's not good enough for me and I feel I need to tell what is happening and I need to hear somebody to tell me that I'm wrong if I am wrong.
Do I hate Islam? No, I don't, I don't even care about Islam as long as Muslims live their lives happily and let the rest of us live our lives happily.
Is that too much to ask?

You well know none of these things can be proven. But religion is only a part of the problem. Geopolitics, corruption, and power vacuums are all factors. As for the religious dimension, Islam is evolving (as it has done throughout its life) - a new enlightenment will come! It's only a matter of time.

 

[Notanumber]

You're talking about a book from the 14th century??

Your point being?

Has anything changed for the better since then?

 

[sooda]

Your point being?

Has anything changed for the better since then?

Certainly.

 

[Notanumber]

Certainly.

You probably know this man from your time in Saudi Arabia –

Yemeni Cleric Abd Al-Majid Al-Zindani Presents "Scientific" Proof that Women Cannot Talk and Remember Simultaneously

Yemeni Cleric Abd Al-Majid Al-Zindani Presents "Scientific" Proof that Women Cannot Talk and Remember Simultaneously

 

[sooda]

You probably know this man from your time in Saudi Arabia –

Yemeni Cleric Abd Al-Majid Al-Zindani Presents "Scientific" Proof that Women Cannot Talk and Remember Simultaneously

Yemeni Cleric Abd Al-Majid Al-Zindani Presents "Scientific" Proof that Women Cannot Talk and Remember Simultaneously

Nope.. Wrong country. Do you get much of your information from MEMRI?

 

[Notanumber]

Nope.. Wrong country. Do you get much of your information from MEMRI?

Source:
Iqra TV (Saudi Arabia)

 

[sooda]

Source:
Iqra TV (Saudi Arabia)

Never heard of Iqra TV..

There are plenty of nutty clerics in Islam and other religions as well.