Why is Islam so dangerous?

[Road Warrior]

I don't care much about religion.
I'm not against any religion, don't get me wrong.
I even believe religious people (Christians mainly because I grew up among them) are good people. They seem to be genuinely loving people.
I cannot speak much about other religions on a personal level because I don't make many friends that are not Christians or Atheists. Not my choice, it just happens that way.
Like many people, I have spent many hours researching on Islam after 9/11 happened.
I live in New York City so that was very close to me.
My research findings tell me Islam is a very dangerous religion.
The closer Islam gets to you the more dangerous it gets.
That seems to be a fact.
I know that Muslims are going to ask me to prove it from the scriptures and that is a ridiculous request.
There are 52 or 53 Muslim countries in the world and I can assure you that any of them has some sort of religious tension, wars or religious related violence in them.
I can quickly come up with links to prove it.
Most of the world is still Christian majority and today you rarely will find religion related violence in them.
The question is why?
Is there any hope that this pattern is going to change?
Is there some kind of Islamic reform possible?
Is war against Islam inevitable?

It isn't. Why do you think it is?

 

[sooda]

It isn't. Why do you think it is?

A war against Islam is exactly what Osama Bin Laden wanted.

 

[Road Warrior]

It wasn't too long ago when the world was immersed in WWI closely followed WWII. It was mostly the Christian countries that took up arms against each other fighting for God, King and country. WWII is probably the most destructive war on record. Six million Jews were put to death alongside other minorities as a result of a country whose population consisted of nearly 95% Christians.

Do you attribute the highest, most successful civilizations with Christianity or do you consider religion a side issue to the fact the northern countries conquered the world? Maybe you think there are other factors involved. What do you believe them to be?

 

[Road Warrior]

A war against Islam is exactly what Osama Bin Laden wanted.

IMO, he wanted a war against the Infidels. In short, he was a religious nutjob.

 

[sooda]

IMO, he wanted a war against the Infidels. In short, he was a religious nutjob.

No question he was nuts..but he was pretty successful.. Look at the hate sites dedicated to hating Islam.

 

[Road Warrior]

No question he was nuts..but he was pretty successful.. Look at the hate sites dedicated to hating Islam.

Up to a point...then he caught a couple of bullets to the chest and head. Not very successful in the end.

As for terrorism, it's point is to impose fear. He did, but then the reaction put him and is organization out of business.

 

[sooda]

Up to a point...then he caught a couple of bullets to the chest and head. Not very successful in the end.

You're right about that, but he sure inspired crazies like ISIS to pick up the mantle.

 

[Road Warrior]

You're right about that, but he sure inspired crazies like ISIS to pick up the mantle.

Crazies happen. Marx did the same thing.

 

[sooda]

Crazies happen. Marx did the same thing.

Fair enough...

 

[Mark Sinista]

I am new here and still figuring things out. I didn't realize you replied. So my apologies for responding late.

We haven't seen any Christian killing in the name of Jesus or Christianity.
That, we haven't seen.
We haven't seen Christians decapitating infidels and we haven't seen Christian terrorists for that matter.

I have shown you that, Yes, we have seen Christian killing in the name of Jesus and it's very recent.

John Earnest, "alleged" synagogue shooter, who "allegedly" went to Church regularly, talks about Christianity, wrote a seven-page letter spelling out his core beliefs: that Jewish people, guilty in his view of faults ranging from killing Jesus to controlling the media, deserved to die. That his intention to kill Jews would glorify God.

Can you provide proof of Christians committing terrorist attacks in the name of Jesus or Christianity?

That news was from The Washington Post. Still you asked to provide proof. Why?

First, you try to establish the fact that terrorism is Muslim specialty as if they are the only terrorists around. Then, you say ahhhh, they are not the only ones that do that, but...THEY BLOW THEMSELVES UP RIGHT?

How do you define terrorism? Does "killing innocent people but not sacrificing yourself" not meet the criteria? Different terrorist groups have different methods. Following one doesn't make one special or master of terrorism. They are all simply terrorists.

 

[Mark Sinista]

It isn't. Why do you think it is?

Maybe he doesn't realize what war does in reality.
Or maybe he doesn't realize, the Iraq war which is now proven to be based on false claims, actually heavily contributed to the creation of ISIS.
Or maybe he doesn't realize, starting war is not the answer and it will create vicious cycle of hatred and extremism.
Edit: Or maybe, he actually does realize all of this but pushing his personal agenda.

 

[Raymann]

What is Shariah?

Depends on what one understands Shariah to encompass. There is Shariah as the legalistic stuff only, and there is Shariah as complete submission to God which can be taken to include the legalistic stuff, but doesn't have to be.

I understand your point although is not the way I personally understand it.
My belief has been that Shariah is one (the second part of your description), the whole set of rules (legal stuff, family, everyday rules, etc).
So my understanding is that to be a Muslim you have to believe in all of Shariah rules (the ones from the scriptures)
Maybe you don't have to believe or accept the human additions to it.
So at the end and based on the concept that Shariah is ONE big set of rules then I'm inclined to believe that Shariah cannot be separated from Islam, they are one and the same.
If you don't follow Shariah then you're not a real Muslim.

 

[Road Warrior]

Maybe he doesn't realize what war does in reality.
Or maybe he doesn't realize, the Iraq war which is now proven to be based on false claims, actually heavily contributed to the creation of ISIS.
Or maybe he doesn't realize, starting war is not the answer and it will create vicious cycle of hatred and extremism.

Possible. FWIW, I do not believe our unilateral attack of Iraq caused radical Islam, but I certainly believe it didn't help solve the problem..

 

[sooda]

What is Shariah?

I understand your point although is not the way I personally understand it.
My belief has been that Shariah is one (the second part of your description), the whole set of rules (legal stuff, family, everyday rules, etc).
So my understanding is that to be a Muslim you have to believe in all of Shariah rules (the ones from the scriptures)
Maybe you don't have to believe or accept the human additions to it.
So at the end and based on the concept that Shariah is ONE big set of rules then I'm inclined to believe that Shariah cannot be separated from Islam, they are one and the same.
If you don't follow Shariah then you're not a real Muslim.

Prime example of a hate site.

SHARIA LAW — LIST OF KEY RULES — What Is Sharia Law?
www.billionbibles.org/sharia/sharia-law
The Sharia law itself cannot be altered but its interpretation, called "fiqh," by muftis (Islamic jurists) is given some latitude. As a legal system, the Sharia law is exceptionally broad. While other legalcodes regulate public behavior, Sharia regulates public behavior, private behavior, and even private beliefs.

 

[sooda]

Possible. FWIW, I do not believe our unilateral attack of Iraq caused radical Islam, but I certainly believe it didn't help solve the problem..

It did.. The invasion of Iraq was a huge blunder ,, Diplomats, historians, oilmen, the Arabs, most Europeans all knew it would be a disaster.

 

[Mark Sinista]

What is Shariah?

I understand your point although is not the way I personally understand it.
My belief has been that Shariah is one (the second part of your description), the whole set of rules (legal stuff, family, everyday rules, etc).
So my understanding is that to be a Muslim you have to believe in all of Shariah rules (the ones from the scriptures)
Maybe you don't have to believe or accept the human additions to it.
So at the end and based on the concept that Shariah is ONE big set of rules then I'm inclined to believe that Shariah cannot be separated from Islam, they are one and the same.
If you don't follow Shariah then you're not a real Muslim.

I thought my previous answer should've made everything clear.
For your better understanding, let me make this sound easier as I understand it.
There are two "Shariah"s -

1. "Shariah of Man" - Combination of Quran (literal understanding), Sunnah and Hadiths, but I would say mostly Hadiths. They made law from this to meet their needs. Legislation.
2. "Shariah of God" - Only Quran. What God tells us to follow. A way of life. Can be made into Legislation or not.

So, one has to obey "Shariah of God" (which is much more spiritual than physical in my opinion) but not necessarily "Shariah of Man".
As I said earlier, "Shariah of Man" has been corrupted and twisted heavily to meet the need of those who implemented it.
So No, "Shariah of Man" is not a requirement to be a real Muslim.

 

[sooda]

I thought my previous answer should've made everything clear.
For your better understanding, let me make this sound easier as I understand it.
There are two "Shariah"s -

1. "Shariah of Man" - Combination of Quran (literal understanding), Sunnah and Hadiths, but I would say mostly Hadiths. They made law from this to meet their needs. Legislation.
2. "Shariah of God" - Only Quran. What God tells us to follow. A way of life. Can be made into Legislation or not.

So, one have to obey "Shariah of God" (which is much more spiritual than physical in my opinion) but not necessarily "Shariah of Man".
As I said earlier, "Shariah of Man" has been corrupted and twisted heavily to meet the need of those who implemented it.
So No, "Shariah of Man" is not a requirement to be a real Muslim.

You read arabic?

 

[Mark Sinista]

You read arabic?

I can kinda read but don't understand without translation.

 

[sooda]

I can kinda read but don't understand without translation.

That's still exceptional.

 

[Mark Sinista]

That's still exceptional.

It's tough for me now really. I could read very well cause I was taught to read and recite the Quran when I was young. The reading & reciting were focused a lot more than the understanding though. I can remember, I used to read the translation more so I was given another one, containing only Arabic. As I was growing up, I had lots of questions and kinda went through theism, atheism or agnosticism phase. I stopped reading Quran in Arabic for a long time. It will take a bit of practice to read like before.