I think the problem with religion is the assumption that one knows the truth about what is right and wrong.
That's not my case, I'm an agnostic and by definition, I'm admitting I don't know the truth or I haven't been convinced of it.
I'm open to change my mind and I allow room to be convinced that I'm wrong if the evidence proves it.
Then anyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong. If you can't get them to see the light/truth who at best need to be ignored/ostracized, at worst be eliminated, made an example of.
Again, that's not me and that's not the objective of a sincere discussion.
maybe we don't see the issue as much with Christianity because it is something familiar. Even though one may not be a Christian one could still be familiar with Christian concepts of right and wrong and because of that familiarity be a little less critical of it's truth and morals.
There is a lot of truth in this paragraph, that's why it's important when having a discussion to be ready to be proven wrong. Most Muslim apologists in this forum have failed in this category, none of them is willing to accept when they're wrong even when the evidence has been presented and it is overwhelming.
Usually, when you prove them wrong a period of total silence and absence tells you they have run out of valid arguments and that's their way of conceding.
Why don't you test our integrity by challenging any of our points?
Let's put it to the test.
The following is a classical accusation against Islam.
ISIS and other Islamist Jihadists use verses of the Quran to justify their violence.
Quran 9:29 is one of those verses that keep giving trouble to Muslim apologists.
No matter how many hoops they jump around they cannot convincingly explain how is this verse not violent.
Context is always the main excuse to defuse the obvious initial violent understanding of the verse.
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."
No doubt, this verse is VIOLENT, no matter your age, religious beliefs or level of education.
It begins by ordering Muslims to "FIGHT", and follows by explaining who should you fight (Christians and Jews).
Only the payment of jizyah would prevent a Muslim to stop the fight so it easily can turn into a bloody battle.
David Wood takes the trouble to explain the verse and all possible CONTEXT and abrogations that apply to this verse.
My efforts to find a convincing Islamic explanation that turns this verse into a NON VIOLENT one has pretty much failed.
Not easy to convince us something is NOT VIOLENT when the words, Fight, kill, convert, etc are always present.
Let's see what Mr. David Wood has to say about it.
What do you think?
Is it or not violent?
so it must be irrelevant to you. But the message is clearly of duty and not double-crossing peace agreements, and when the civility of a community is being threatened. Just quoting one single English translation of one single verse like that is quite silly but keep on playing your childish games.
