Why is Islam so dangerous?

[Spirit of Light]

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I believe the greatest danger is that Muslims think they will be ok without Christianity.

Why is that a danger? Both Christianity and Islam are true religions. But seen from a different angle of wisdom

 

[Raymann]

Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun [the attack upon] you the first time?

Would you, perchance, fail to fight against people who have broken their solemn pledges, and have done all that they could to drive the Apostle away, and have been first to attack you?

Will ye not fight a folk who broke their solemn pledges, and purposed to drive out the messenger and did attack you first?

Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you?

What! will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Messenger, and they attacked you first

Will you not make war on a people who broke their pledges and resolved to expel the Apostle, and opened [hostilities] against you initially?

Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and conspired to expel the Messenger, and it was they who started (fighting) against you for the first time?

Why do you not fight a group who broke their oaths and intended to drive out the messenger, and they started (to fight you) in the first place?

Well, let's look at the historical facts as viewed from an Islamic point of view.

Quran 9:29 interpretation

Verse 9:29 is a command to fight the Byzantine Romans and other hostile powers who were planning an invasion against the Muslims in Arabia. In context, it is a distinct response to aggression, in particular the assassination of one of the Prophet’s ambassadors.
Allah said:
قَاتِلُوا الَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَلَا بِالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَلَا يُحَرِّمُونَ مَا حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَلَا يَدِينُونَ دِينَ الْحَقِّ مِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ حَتَّىٰ يُعْطُوا الْجِزْيَةَ عَن يَدٍ وَهُمْ صَاغِرُونَ

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not acknowledge the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture, until they give the tribute willingly while they are humbled.
Surah At-Tawba 9:29

On the surface, this appears to be an open-ended command to fight non-Muslims until they are conquered. However, a fundamental principle of Quranic exegesis (tafseer) is that the verses must be understood in the context in which they were revealed (asbab an-nuzul) and in conjunction with other verses delineating the rules of warfare.

The problems:
It all started when the messenger of Muhammad was killed.
Why was he killed?
Because he committed "Blasphemy".
The messenger of Muhammad carried a letter in which stated that the Byzantines were believing in a false God (Jesus Christ) and that they should immediately surrender to Allah (the only real God).
In those times "Blasphemy" was strictly penalized by death.
Without asking any explanation the Muslims attacked the Byzantines in what was called the battle of Mu’tah.
The Muslims attacked when in reality they were never attacked and the messenger was killed because he committed a crime inside Byzantine's territory.
Quran 9:29 was actually revealed after the battle of Mu'tah during the expedition of Tabuk.
Muhammad heard the Byzantines were planning on attacking the Muslims.
He and his army soon realized the rumors were incorrect and there was no attack planned.
He and his army were returning and that's when the verse was revealed.
The verse is meant to justify the attacks on Christians and Jews towns on their way back and collect Jizyah from them.
The interpretations of the Tafseer are not Quranic, they are human manipulations of the real scriptures.
Why should we believe what the so-called Scholars believe Allah's intentions were?

 

[Wasp]

Well, let's look at the historical facts as viewed from an Islamic point of view.

Quran 9:29 interpretation

Verse 9:29 is a command to fight the Byzantine Romans and other hostile powers who were planning an invasion against the Muslims in Arabia. In context, it is a distinct response to aggression, in particular the assassination of one of the Prophet’s ambassadors.
Allah said:
قَاتِلُوا الَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَلَا بِالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَلَا يُحَرِّمُونَ مَا حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَلَا يَدِينُونَ دِينَ الْحَقِّ مِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ حَتَّىٰ يُعْطُوا الْجِزْيَةَ عَن يَدٍ وَهُمْ صَاغِرُونَ

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not acknowledge the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture, until they give the tribute willingly while they are humbled.
Surah At-Tawba 9:29

On the surface, this appears to be an open-ended command to fight non-Muslims until they are conquered. However, a fundamental principle of Quranic exegesis (tafseer) is that the verses must be understood in the context in which they were revealed (asbab an-nuzul) and in conjunction with other verses delineating the rules of warfare.

The problems:
It all started when the messenger of Muhammad was killed.
Why was he killed?
Because he committed "Blasphemy".
The messenger of Muhammad carried a letter in which stated that the Byzantines were believing in a false God (Jesus Christ) and that they should immediately surrender to Allah (the only real God).
In those times "Blasphemy" was strictly penalized by death.
Without asking any explanation the Muslims attacked the Byzantines in what was called the battle of Mu’tah.
The Muslims attacked when in reality they were never attacked and the messenger was killed because he committed a crime inside Byzantine's territory.
Quran 9:29 was actually revealed after the battle of Mu'tah during the expedition of Tabuk.
Muhammad heard the Byzantines were planning on attacking the Muslims.
He and his army soon realized the rumors were incorrect and there was no attack planned.
He and his army were returning and that's when the verse was revealed.
The verse is meant to justify the attacks on Christians and Jews towns on their way back and collect Jizyah from them.
The interpretations of the Tafseer are not Quranic, they are human manipulations of the real scriptures.
Why should we believe what the so-called Scholars believe Allah's intentions were?

It was a war crime for the Byzantines to kill the emissary.

 

[Raymann]

It was a war crime for the Byzantines to kill the emissary.

So, you're going to ignore the Blasphemy crime committed by the messenger and instead accuse the Byzantines of enforcing their own law in their own territory?
Unbelievable!
How can you have a logical discussion?

 

[SugarOcean]

Wise advice, thanks, but I believe that I'm past that point.
I carefully research the topics I talk about and try to see opposite points of view to evaluate the results.
It seems to me very obvious that Islam is a problem.

Islam is a political ideology more so than a religion.

• Pat Condell: "It's good to be anti-Islam"

Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society.

 

[SugarOcean]

I see we have to seperate the actions of a few from a majority that live peace, in a loving Faith.

Personally the world has a lot to answer for, we have allowed nationalisim and all forms of predudices to eat away at the foundations of strong and needed virtues.

The only way to address these issues is now on a worldwide scale.

Regards Tony

Ben Shapiro: The Myth of the Tiny Radical Muslim Minority

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Ben Shapiro: The Myth of the Tiny Radical Muslim Minority

My guess you were a Christian, check

Regards Tony

 

[Firemorphic]

My guess you were a Christian, check

Regards Tony

Yep Christians are predictable.

 

[Firemorphic]

Islam is a political ideology more so than a religion.

 

[Notanumber]

A citizen of the United Kingdom has been found guilty of ‘causing mischief in the land’.

Islam is removing our freedoms.

If Tommy Robinson goes to prison it could be a death sentence.

British prisons are a hotbed of Islam.

 

[Spirit of Light]

A citizen of the United Kingdom has been found guilty of ‘causing mischief in the land’.

Islam is removing our freedoms.

If Tommy Robinson goes to prison it could be a death sentence.

British prisons are a hotbed of Islam.

Why is it ok for a racist to say what he/she feels but if a Muslim say something it becomes evil?
Why should we accept a racist viewpoint more then others?

 

[Firemorphic]

In context, it is a distinct response to aggression, in particular the assassination of one of the Prophet’s ambassadors.

Correct.

The interpretations of the Tafseer are not Quranic, they are human manipulations of the real scriptures.
Why should we believe what the so-called Scholars believe Allah's intentions were?

I can't tell if you're dyslexic or not. These two sentences are baffling.
You just picked random websites and went "uh uh guys I gots the tafsir, uga uga"

Doesn't work like that, but that is an amusing way to go about it.

 

[Firemorphic]

[spam]

So Mr 'The Prisoner 1967 staring Patrick McGoohan', what kind of music do you like? how about some personality around here buddy? what kind of hobbies do you do? how many kids have you got?

 

[JJ50]

Not all Muslims are dangerous, anymore than all Christians are good people. Both religions have extremists in their midst.

 

[Notanumber]

Not all Muslims are dangerous, anymore than all Christians are good people. Both religions have extremists in their midst.

Which of the two are currently trying to remove our freedoms?

At present, the ones that are using our legal systems to remove our free speech are of most concern.

 

[JJ50]

Which of the two are currently trying to remove our freedoms?

At present, the ones that are using our legal systems to remove our free speech are of most concern.

I am not sure what you are talking about?

 

[Notanumber]

I am not sure what you are talking about?

Try doing some research.

 

[JJ50]

Try doing some research.

Into what exactly?

 

[Wasp]

So, you're going to ignore the Blasphemy crime committed by the messenger and instead accuse the Byzantines of enforcing their own law in their own territory?
Unbelievable!
How can you have a logical discussion?

The byzantines broke their own law.

 

[Wasp]

Islam is a political ideology more so than a religion

Can you explain why you think that?