Lostinthisworld
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Why is it when anyone ask a question about the old testament, someone always gives you new testament quotes ?:sarcastic
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Why is it when anyone ask a question about the old testament, someone always gives yo
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harold e. rice
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Most Christians are taught that the Old Testament is irrelevant except for when they need to prove something that was prophesied by someone in the Old Testament. Without the Old Testament Christianity wouldnt be able to justify paying tithes or the coming of Christ.Lostinthisworld said:
By staying away from the Old Testament Christians can avoid most of the Law of Moses which are ridiculous and out of date. Nevertheless, they love the Ten Commandments.
BUDDY
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I supose that you are talking about the Christian community, who believes that the Old Testament no longer applies to man as law. Please see this thread for more information:http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12090Lostinthisworld said:
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
I'll freely admit. I know the NT FAR, FAR better than the OT.
However, if you don't want to hear quotes from the NT, just specify that in your post. If you don't want them thar nasty "born agains" mucking up your thread, just ask them to stay out. Whining about participation on a message board is rather absurd. Really, really!
However, if you don't want to hear quotes from the NT, just specify that in your post. If you don't want them thar nasty "born agains" mucking up your thread, just ask them to stay out. Whining about participation on a message board is rather absurd. Really, really!
SoliDeoGloria
Active Member
From what I have seen as a christian, It unfortunatley comes from a lack of knowledge about the OT because of the reasons listed above. If I have done that, please let me know being as how there is no good excuse for me to do that myself.
Sincerely,
SoliDeoGloria
Sincerely,
SoliDeoGloria
Lostinthisworld
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If you are talking about me as the one whining, I'm not I'm just asking. Really !!:jiggy:
NetDoc said:I'll freely admit. I know the NT FAR, FAR better than the OT.
However, if you don't want to hear quotes from the NT, just specify that in your post. If you don't want them thar nasty "born agains" mucking up your thread, just ask them to stay out. Whining about participation on a message board is rather absurd. Really, really!
Linus
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Well, I wouldn't say always, but anyway...Lostinthisworld said:
Believe it or not, the New and Old Testaments are complementory books. One cannot (from a Christian perspective) be justified without the other. The bottom line is this: Most of the Old Testament finds its fulfillment in Jesus Christ.
Lostinthisworld,
Linus is correct. Much of the OT finds fulfillment in the person and life of Jesus Christ. Many of the prophecies deal with him specifically, or are mentioned in the NT from a "hindsight" viewpoint. Since the Christian life is modeled on the life of Christ, most Christians spend their time reading in the NT. It is a crying shame that so many fail to continue reading and learning from the OT as well. While I do not claim to know the OT backwards and forwards, I'm pretty well versed and will do the best that I can to answer questions about the OT from the OT, and avoid references only to the NT. I can't promise you perfect answers, only the best effort I have.
A couple of things to keep in mind from the beginning however:
1) Concerning the law of Moses, it is no longer adhered to because of Jesus Christ. There are very good OT reasons for why the law of Moses was put in to place, but as of now, the reason it is not followed is because of Jesus. He did not change the law, he fulfilled it.
2) Keep in mind that when discussing the law, there is moral law, civil law, and rabbinical law. Many of the rabbinical laws ended with the dissolving of the Holy of Holies when Christ died and made God accessible to man. The Civil laws are the ones most commonly pointed to to discredit the OT and NT by saying that Jesus was wrong by disputing the very laws he came to fulfill. The civil laws however were for a specific place and time in history (which is why they make no sense in our day and time). The Moral law (the law Jesus came to fulfill and did, the laws the pharisees and sadduccees were so concerned about, the one Jesus made them eat crow on constantly, the one for which they killed him) this law has never been dissolved, it is still in place, and was perfectly fulfilled in the life of Christ. The 10 commandments were moral law, Stoning a rebellious child was under civil law, wearing certain types of clothing was a civil law, sacrificing animals was a rabbinical law. These are just a few examples, but they show why the disputes erupt around the law being held to by "born-agains" and in part being discarded by the same "born-agains".
Let the discussions continue!
Linus is correct. Much of the OT finds fulfillment in the person and life of Jesus Christ. Many of the prophecies deal with him specifically, or are mentioned in the NT from a "hindsight" viewpoint. Since the Christian life is modeled on the life of Christ, most Christians spend their time reading in the NT. It is a crying shame that so many fail to continue reading and learning from the OT as well. While I do not claim to know the OT backwards and forwards, I'm pretty well versed and will do the best that I can to answer questions about the OT from the OT, and avoid references only to the NT. I can't promise you perfect answers, only the best effort I have.
A couple of things to keep in mind from the beginning however:
1) Concerning the law of Moses, it is no longer adhered to because of Jesus Christ. There are very good OT reasons for why the law of Moses was put in to place, but as of now, the reason it is not followed is because of Jesus. He did not change the law, he fulfilled it.
2) Keep in mind that when discussing the law, there is moral law, civil law, and rabbinical law. Many of the rabbinical laws ended with the dissolving of the Holy of Holies when Christ died and made God accessible to man. The Civil laws are the ones most commonly pointed to to discredit the OT and NT by saying that Jesus was wrong by disputing the very laws he came to fulfill. The civil laws however were for a specific place and time in history (which is why they make no sense in our day and time). The Moral law (the law Jesus came to fulfill and did, the laws the pharisees and sadduccees were so concerned about, the one Jesus made them eat crow on constantly, the one for which they killed him) this law has never been dissolved, it is still in place, and was perfectly fulfilled in the life of Christ. The 10 commandments were moral law, Stoning a rebellious child was under civil law, wearing certain types of clothing was a civil law, sacrificing animals was a rabbinical law. These are just a few examples, but they show why the disputes erupt around the law being held to by "born-agains" and in part being discarded by the same "born-agains".
Let the discussions continue!
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angellous_evangellous
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Rabbinical law does not appear in the OT. Rabbinic law came a little later, and it comprises the Jewish Midrashim and other rabbinic commentary which is not in the NT. Rabbinic commentary appears with the Exile and perhaps later as the synnogouge became the center of Jewish worship rather than the Temple. I think that you are confusing rabbinic law with ceremonial (aka ritualistic) law, and doing so because the rabbis were religious leaders along with preists in Second Temple Judaism. There are several versions of rabbinic law because the rabbis developed influential schools of thought within Judaism, which is why we see in the NT that the Pharasees and Saducees had differing views on divorce and the afterlife.
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angellous_evangellous
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Yes, Christians interpret the law through Jesus and his apostles, which is why Christians will give NT passages when talking about the OT. In short, Chrisitans confess that we have a continuous revelation which directly compliments the OT. Unlike other religions which claim to be an extention of Abraham's faith (I have Mormonism, JWs, Christian Scientists in mind here), Christianity can boast a consistent theology between the OT and NT, based upon the teachings of the NT. No other religion can claim a consistent tie with Judaism - of course Jews consider our interpretation as the highest form of blasphemy - in that case, no one blasphemes like us (eg, still upholding to the OT while claiming that Jesus is God)!