stevecanuck
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What proof is there that Jerusalem was the site of "al masjid al aqsa" spoken of in verse 17:1?
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Why is Jerusalem considered the destination of the midnight ride?
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Personally I have no answer to what is call "proof" it is a belief that what is written in 17:1 did happen, to prove it, i would have had to been there when it happen.
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Proof? None
It's the product of exegesis and hadith/sirah so it's veracity depends on your attitudes towards these.
It's in a chapter about Moses though so the parallels of a journey to Jerusalem are there.
The more interesting question is why...
What proof is there that any ride occurred at all?
"Proof" is probably not the word you're looking for.
stevecanuck
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It wasn't built yet. There were no Muslims or mosques in Jerusalem at that time.
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The mosque's origins stretch back to the seventh century. It was first built in A.D. 637, just five years after the prophet's death. It has been destroyed, rebuilt and renovated multiple times.
There isn't, Masjid al-Aqsa in that verse as far I understand refers to the holiest place of prostration which was where Mohammad (s) was two bows or closer still. This is what Ahlulbayt (a) said about the verse.
The other place in Jerusalem, was originally the Qibla (at the start of Nubuwa of Mohammad (s)) but it transitioned eventually to the Kaba. It's holy but it's not the holiest Masjid, the holiest Masjid is a place beyond Angels, beyond all in a sky/reality where Mohammad (s) saw God through his heart at a very high level of glory, but God is still beyond that and above that sight.
The other place in Jerusalem, was originally the Qibla (at the start of Nubuwa of Mohammad (s)) but it transitioned eventually to the Kaba. It's holy but it's not the holiest Masjid, the holiest Masjid is a place beyond Angels, beyond all in a sky/reality where Mohammad (s) saw God through his heart at a very high level of glory, but God is still beyond that and above that sight.
stevecanuck
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That's my understanding.
It is correct, as dear as Palestinians are to me, I am not going to twist Quranic verses for political reasons.
Also at times places of prostration refers to the chosen ones - for example - Adam (a) was a prostration rally point for Angels (a). In Suratal Jinn, because Jinn are hidden and witness the spirits of humans and are not physical, the Masajid (places of prostration) belonging to God refers to the chosen families like family of Abraham (a), family of Aaron/Moses (a), and family of Mohammad (s). The Jinn are being told, not to take anyone as sons of God or daughters of God and if there was anyone who would be that, it would be those who are places of prostration for Angels, but those prostrations are in fact, for God, and so Angels prostrating to Adam (a) were prostrating to God and him as the means/direction.
It doesn't always refer to a Mosque. However, because humans tend to worship other humans and Angels often, God has made it that we prostrate ourselves to the Kaba which has rock from heaven there, but it's at the end just a rock, and we intend to submit to God in all that.
Although the moon is used for the months in Islam, and God's guardian king uses it to dispel the dark magic, we also don't prostrate ourselves to the moon or sun or anything but to God. But we should understand the light we are seeing God by is his name/face and that is the Imam. Everything glorifies God through God's name/leader/face that remains, and so he is the highest point in the sky and connects everyone to that reality.
That is not to say we prostrate to him, but we should know he is the veil of light on God's creation and we connect to God through him.
Shakeel
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Al-Masjid Al-Aqsa does not refer to the building alone but to the entire site.
Shakeel
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Can I get that in a coherent sentence? "Two bows or closer still.." - where?
stevecanuck
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Now it does. There is no indication whatsoever that that was the site referred to in 17:1.
Shakeel
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Is name not the best indicator?
The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Translation
The bows are understood by some to make a circle and so there is no distance, between the two bows.
Bows as in:
The verse is self-explanatory, it says he was brought from the sacred place of prostration to the holiest place of prostration so that God can show him of his signs. The signs are that which he witnessed in Ascending to the sky/reality and so it makes sense it's not about a physical place because the signs shown are that which was in the sky/heaven reality and else where Quran talks about it as when he was two bows or even closer still.
stevecanuck
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There is no reason to think that the non-Muslim population of Jerusalem would have named it that. Why would they?