Why Is the Killer of British MP Jo Cox Not Being Called a “Terrorist”?

[Jumi]

By Mateen I mean the Orlando gay club shooter. With that question I was wondering how the verdict of two cases can be related.

Mateen reportedly gave his allegiance to leader of ISIS, Mair reportedly gave a political statement. If the reports are true, that makes both terrorists. One ISIS supporter and one political assassination. Different but the same.

 

[Jumi]

Not true because they don't choose who to kill, when the suicide bombers explode themselves in one
market then how they know who's the true and not true Muslim among many innocents include children.

ISIS do pick out who they kill, there is a video I think from 2014 where they execute truck drivers who say they just want to work on suspicion that they might be "polytheists" or shiites.

 

[FearGod]

What about religious fundamentalism/extremism that often goes with it?

If killing an innocent then a murderer, regardless of what excuses were used

If the crimes are at least partially motivated by religion then I don't see what's wrong with mentioning the religion. When ISIS are throwing homosexuals off of buildings and citing Mohammad/Quran as their justification for doing so, surely it makes sense to mention the ideology?

I wonder if there were any kind of buildings at the era of Muhammed to throw homosexuals or even a high mountains near
to where they lived, Actually a little intelligent is needed to realize the fake stories.

"The media" is not one big entity. There are plenty of media outlets who call for the use of the word Terrorist in cases like this; and it is not just the "western" media that is biased.

The media is used for the propaganda, the terrorism should be used only for those who are Muslims.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Mateen reportedly gave his allegiance to leader of ISIS, Mair reportedly gave a political statement. If the reports are true, that makes both terrorists. One ISIS supporter and one political assassination. Different but the same.

Cool! Thanks for the heads up.

I wonder if such statements are honest and true for someone in his position.

 

[FearGod]

ISIS do pick out who they kill, there is a video I think from 2014 where they execute truck drivers who say they just want to work on suspicion that they might be "polytheists" or shiites.

Then what they were waiting for, many Christians lived in the Muslim world and still living and Shia with Sunnis,
i wonder that they're still alive till today.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

By Mateen I mean the Orlando gay club shooter. With that question I was wondering how the verdict of two cases can be related.

Oh, I see. I think Mateen was inspired by Islamic extremism and motivated by homophobia. I'm not sure about mental health issues.

 

[Altfish]

Mateen reportedly gave his allegiance to leader of ISIS, Mair reportedly gave a political statement. If the reports are true, that makes both terrorists. One ISIS supporter and one political assassination. Different but the same.

There is a slight difference. As I said earlier ISIS had encouraged 'lone' strikes; I'm not aware that Britain First had done any such thing.
I also don't consider BF to be a terrorist organisation. They are a bunch of semi-organised thugs who arrange marches in sensitive areas hoping for a flare up of violence from the opposition/locals. I stand to be corrected but have they ever indiscriminately killed anyone? Do they carry out acts of terror?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

I also don't consider BF to be a terrorist organisation. They are a bunch of semi-organised thugs who arrange marches in sensitive areas hoping for a flare up of violence from the opposition/locals. I stand to be corrected but have they ever indiscriminately killed anyone? Do they carry out acts of terror?

They seem to be distancing themselves: http://www.britainfirst.org/jo-cox-...es-the-monstrous-lies-peddled-by-the-media-2/

 

[FearGod]

Oh, I see. I think Mateen was inspired by Islamic extremism and motivated by homophobia. I'm not sure about mental health issues.

Mateen way of life is miles away of Islam, a big NO, he wasn't
affected by Islam.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Mateen way of life is miles away of Islam, a big NO, he wasn't
affected by Islam.

Nonsense. He swore allegiance to ISIS several times before the shooting.

You'll be telling us next that the Paris atrocities were nothing to do with Islamic extremism.

Instead of living in denial, why don't you just acknowledge that there is a problem with Islamic fundamentalism?

 

[Smart_Guy]

Oh, I see. I think Mateen was inspired by Islamic extremism and motivated by homophobia. I'm not sure about mental health issues.

Cool. Thank you for sharing. I heard some reports about being a closed closet something (pardon my English). It kinda implies something but can't really pinpoint it.

 

[FearGod]

Nonsense. He swore allegiance to ISIS several times before the shooting.

How he swore allegiance to the ISIS while he lived away from Islam like any layman American, He born in the US and he
never entered a mosque or care about Islam, how that would changed in one day night.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

He born in the US and he
never entered a mosque or care about Islam,

Really?
http://www.wptv.com/news/region-st-...ck-with-ties-to-islamic-center-of-fort-pierce

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Cool. Thank you for sharing. I heard some reports about being a closed closet something (pardon my English). It kinda implies something but can't really pinpoint it.

Apparently Mateen had visited the Pulse nightclub previously, and there was some speculation that he might have been gay himself.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

What do you think of this crime of killing the Labour MP Jo Cox, is it an assassination or a terrorist act?

Salaam,

An assassination. I don't see how it was aimed at spreading terror.

If Anders Behring Breivik carried out the killings he carried out with the intention of spreading terror, then that was terrorism.

Insofar as it appears that at least part of the reason Omar Mateen carried out his attack was to spread terror, his attack was at least partly a terrorist one. It seems that he had more than one motivation for acting as he did (self-hate being one of them), but insofar as he claimed allegiance to IS before launching his attack, and insofar as IS have called for terrorist attacks, almost regardless of his motivations, his attack had the effect of spreading terror and on those grounds could be labelled a terrorist attack.

But I do agree that there is something of a tendency in many of the media, and in the pronouncements of others, to associate all Muslims with terrorists, and therefore to label all Muslim acts of violence (be they crimes, assassinations, acts of war, or acts of terrorism) as acts of terrorism. And that we should challenge this.

Wassalaam

 

[Smart_Guy]

Apparently Mateen had visited the Pulse nightclub previously, and there was some speculation that he might have been gay himself.

Maybe this could mean something more to the story? Maybe jealousy has something to do with the shooting? If it is, then maybe he came up with the excuse of IS IS because it sounded embarrassing? Dunno, psychopaths have a mind of their own.

But I'm getting off-topic here. Sorry about that.

 

[Rival]

Douglas Murray called him a terrorist. Doug is a Conservative.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Maybe this could mean something more to the story? Maybe jealousy has something to do with the shooting?

His father said he was angry about seeing gay men kissing each other. That sounds like hatred of gays rather than jealousy, and I would guess related to the homophobia which is endemic in Islam.
It's possible that he was confused about his sexual identity, but that doesn't seem like a good reason for murdering 50 people.

 

[FearGod]

Really?
http://www.wptv.com/news/region-st-...ck-with-ties-to-islamic-center-of-fort-pierce

Do Imams recognize the people entering the mosque? I don't trust most of the Imams.
His ex-wife had told that Mateen was a gay and asked not to tell this info to the American media,
of course Muslim and gay can't work.

As the New York Post noted, Yusufiy’s fiancee, Marco Dias, spoke on her behalf in Portuguese to local media that she believed Mateen possessed “gay tendencies,” and that his father had even referred to him as “gay” in front of her on at least one occasion. Dias also said during this interview that the “FBI asked her not to tell this to the American media,” the New York Post reported. But that claim hasn’t been reported elsewhere, or verified by members of the U.S. government.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2016/06/former-classmate-says-mateen-was-gay/#BF4u4rDVK5iOHUqs.99

 

[FearGod]

His father said he was angry about seeing gay men kissing each other. That sounds like hatred of gays rather than jealousy, and I would guess related to the homophobia which is endemic in Islam.
It's possible that he was confused about his sexual identity, but that doesn't seem like a good reason for murdering 50 people.

Really, he was angry to see them kissing while he was enjoying himself the same club for 3 years.