Why is the Right Wing Anti-Science?

[Jayhawker Soule]

The right wing and the anti-science wing share a dominant trait: a self-obsessed aversion to reason.

They don't know what they don't know, and they're sticking to it!​

 

[metis]

(poorly veiled insult BTW).

And no respect for anyone thinking for themselves. Well what can I say. I see no point in taking to someone who is this wholly unaware of fact and has no respect for others

Hypocrisy at its "finest".

 

[Polymath257]

And no respect for anyone thinking for themselves. Well what can I say. I see no point in taking to someone who is this wholly unaware of fact and has no respect for others

Spouting right wing talking points that are fed to you by Fox News is not *thinking for yourself".

Actually learning enough science by reading actual textbooks and/or doing actual research in a lab or in the field and then making an informed judgement about what the evidence says *is* thinking for yourself.

But I suspect that you have not read any actual refereed scientific articles related to evolution or the climate. Instead, I am guessing, you have read what you have been directed to after being told what you should think about it.

 

[Truth in love]

We have quite a few of the 'missing links'. And due to the way fossils are formed and preserved, we probably have more than would be expected.

Life starting from non-life isn't evolution. And work is being done to understand how it came about. The good thing is that we know that life is essentially complex chemistry and so what we need to figure out is the chemical conditions that lead to life forming.

And how does our ignorance suggest that someone was directing things? That seems like a *huge* leap given that we have no evidence of a 'who' existing before life existed on Earth.

Science101: If it can't be duplicated it is not science its a belief.

 

[Truth in love]

From what I saw, Fauci was clear about the uncertainties at each stage and trying to find a good way to fight the virus with the tools available.

With a new virus, there will be things we get wrong. We then adjust our models and beliefs and work from there. That is NOT lying. It is doing the best with what you have at the time.

‘Fauci Lied’: NYT Op-Ed Rebukes Fauci For COVID Misinformation

He lied.

 

[Audie]

Science101: If it can't be duplicated it is not science its a belief.

You just made that up.

 

[Audie]

‘Fauci Lied’: NYT Op-Ed Re

bukes Fauci For COVID Misinformation

He lied.

Shall we say you are lying every time you post
misinformation?

 

[Truth in love]

The acid test for truth v rejecting science
is, do you reject science when it is contrary
to religious or political ideology.

Soviet rejection of genetics, religious rejection
of deep time, evolution and medical treatments.

To reject evolution as you do for reson suc
as you give (spontneous life) that has nothing
to do with ToE- and you don't even know why-puts
claims of seeing for yourself in a very poor light.

It's quite a display. Loving truth and seeing for ones self
but doing the oppositely, the while claiming to know
more than any scientist on earth.


Give us n example of what you think is low
grade science, and while you are at it, an
example of religious truth that has evidence
beyond blind following of authority.

The teaching (as is often done) that life came out on its own.

The all to often denials of the limits of the theory of evolution. The honest scientist would admit to the limits and problems and seek for answers. The low grade scientist insist that they have them ll and that to not agree is to be ignorant, hateful of truth etc.

Micro evolution is a well established science. We can demonstrate this at any hose breeders. Macro evolution where a snake can turn into a horse can't be shown and hence is a belief. To insist that I accept not only that a snake can turn into a horse, but that everything from bacteria to horses to birds all are from a common cell and spontaneously came into being though a process we can't observer or find is very interesting, but not science.

 

[Truth in love]

Shall we say you are lying every time you post
misinformation?

1. Cite some misinformation I posted. (typo and auto correct fails don't count).
2. You would need to have evidence that I was misleading people not just posting the wrong link etc.
3. Someone not liking what I have to say is not me lying.

Go ahead I'll wait.

 

[Truth in love]

We have quite a few of the 'missing links'. And due to the way fossils are formed and preserved, we probably have more than would be expected.

Life starting from non-life isn't evolution. And work is being done to understand how it came about. The good thing is that we know that life is essentially complex chemistry and so what we need to figure out is the chemical conditions that lead to life forming.

And how does our ignorance suggest that someone was directing things? That seems like a *huge* leap given that we have no evidence of a 'who' existing before life existed on Earth.

So the position that God or some other intelligent being directed life is a "*huge* leap", but it happening on it own with no theory and no repeats is not?

 

[Truth in love]

Sorry, but that is not evidence. In the sciences to even have evidence one must first have a falsifiable hypothesis.

What is the creationist hypothesis and what test based upon the claims and predictions of creationism could possibly refute it?

Let me make sure I get this. Our existence is not evidence, but I should believe that life appears out of thin air?

 

[Truth in love]

OK, so Fauci is 'almost certainly right on the technical merits', but he was downplaying a theory about the origin of the virus? it seems that the 'lie' comes down to whether the US funded 'gain of function' in this virus or not.

As for the efficacy of masks, Fauci was very clear that masks were discouraged for the general populace early on because they were needed for doctors and nurses taking care of patients.

His willful lying about what would be safe herd immunity. You good with that?

 

[SkepticThinker]

I got all the shots, got covid anyway.
Very mild, hardly slowed me,down.

Then the vaccine did what it was supposed to do.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I'm all for truth. (poorly veiled insult BTW).

We know that a lot of lies were told about the efficacy of the Pfizer covid vaccine. Not to sure about others, but someone not wanting that I respect their right to choose.

Such as?

Creationism explains many things that evolution fails to do (I've been waiting decades for someone to show me inorganic material becoming life spontaneously).

You're going to be waiting forever for that one. Evolution doesn't deal with that - you're thinking of abiogenesis, which is probably why you think evolution fails to provide an explanation for something that it isn't supposed to. Evolution describes the diversity of life on earth - not it's origins.

Yet the limits of the theory are denied and anyone who wants to see the evidence is labeled a science denier (AKA heretic) or perhaps is accused of being stupid or uneducated. These tactics don't promote actual scientific inquiry

Ignorant would be the better word. See above.

I can observe the climate, but it hard to keep up if its freezing, or warming or pausing as the models and ascribed casual effects don't fit what can be observed. (the frequent fraud by the "experts" does not promote trust either).

In short I don't buy a lot of the rumor and low grade garbage being label science. I want to see it for myself.

There is no "frequent fraud" by climate experts. That's a right-wing anti-science talking point with no basis in reality.

 

[Audie]

The teaching (as is often done) that life came out on its own.

The all to often denials of the limits of the theory of evolution. The honest scientist would admit to the limits and problems and seek for answers. The low grade scientist insist that they have them ll and that to not agree is to be ignorant, hateful of truth etc.

Micro evolution is a well established science. We can demonstrate this at any hose breeders. Macro evolution where a snake can turn into a horse can't be shown and hence is a belief. To insist that I accept not only that a snake can turn into a horse, but that everything from bacteria to horses to birds all are from a common cell and spontaneously came into being though a process we can't observer or find is very interesting, but not science.

Only the dishonest or deliberately ignorant
pretend ToE in any way involves or needs to
include the origin of life.

When are you going to even understand that?.

It should have been covered in intro to remedial
science 099.

Or if you ACTUALLY thought for yourself, you would see it's trivially ob ious.

 

[Truth in love]

Okay, that is a story about an op ed. Do you have an actual article that states where and how he lied? Articles tend to be much better supported than opinion pieces.

Dr. Fauci said up to 90% of population needs to get vaccinated for herd immunity against virus

“Fauci had previously said it could take up to 90% of the US population to get vaccinated to reach herd immunity against the coronavirus. Fauci told The New York Times in an interview published Thursday that "when polls said only about half of all Americans would take a vaccine, I was saying herd immunity would take 70 to 75 percent," but "when newer surveys said 60 percent or more would take it, I thought, 'I can nudge this up a bit,' so I went to 80, 85."

He admits he lied.

A few other links to his failure to be honest.



Fauci, Who Was Caught Lying About COVID, Claims Others' Lies Are What's Killing People

Dr. Fauci 'caught lying' to Congress after book exposes details of Wuhan lab-linked grant, lawmaker says

Dr. Anthony Fauci: Risks From Vaccines Are "Almost Nonmeasurable"

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed//who-watches-the-watchmen-faucis-noble-lie-exposed

 

[Audie]

Let me make sure I get this. Our existence is not evidence, but I should believe that life appears out of thin air?

Good example of posting something misleading.

 

[Audie]

1. Cite some misinformation I posted. (typo and auto correct fails don't count).
2. You would need to have evidence that I was misleading people not just posting the wrong link etc.
3. Someone not liking what I have to say is not me lying.

Go ahead I'll wait.

I already pointed out that origin of life has nothing to do with ToE.

You keep claiming it does.

Don't you even know what you write?

 

[SkepticThinker]

The teaching (as is often done) that life came out on its own.

The all to often denials of the limits of the theory of evolution. The honest scientist would admit to the limits and problems and seek for answers. The low grade scientist insist that they have them ll and that to not agree is to be ignorant, hateful of truth etc.

Micro evolution is a well established science. We can demonstrate this at any hose breeders. Macro evolution where a snake can turn into a horse can't be shown and hence is a belief. To insist that I accept not only that a snake can turn into a horse, but that everything from bacteria to horses to birds all are from a common cell and spontaneously came into being though a process we can't observer or find is very interesting, but not science.

That has nothing to do with evolution. Evolution is the change in allele frequencies over time in populations. The theory of evolution explains the diversity of life on earth.
Your assertion that "life came out on its own" doesn't address evolution. Rather, it address abiogenesis. Evolution takes place after life is already here.

 

[Truth in love]

Such as?


You're going to be waiting forever for that one. Evolution doesn't deal with that - you're thinking of abiogenesis, which is probably why you think evolution fails to provide an explanation for something that it isn't supposed to. Evolution describes the diversity of life on earth - not it's origins.


Ignorant would be the better word. See above.


There is no "frequent fraud" by climate experts. That's a right-wing anti-science talking point with no basis in reality.

No fraud. LOL okay that's funny, Al Gore pulled a fast one, They got caught with a ton of fraud a few years back manipulating numbers to fit their narrative.


I might as well say that all politicians are honest.

But hey if you are that uninformed on the topic. I'm not going to waste all my time.

If evolution is not meant to explain the origins of life it is being taught very badly, many many places.