I just did. But you will have to ask psychoslice how he defines them. He for some reason thinks everything is a label or is labeled and I disagree with his position.
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Why is the water wet?
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McBell
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Would you please be so kind as to point me to the post number which you defined "labels"?
Depending on how one defines "labels"....
psychoslice
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But translation does change the meaning of the words, just look at religion, how many who call themselves Christian and yet all see the words different, that is to suite their own translation for their own religion.
That is the entire point. Congrats on avoiding the discussion / debate.
This is my original argument. http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3680245-post4.html
Psychoslice posted this. http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3680248-post5.html
I do no view things in science as being labeled for the sake of labeling.
I agree. It would depend on how psychoslice defines labels. Either they are worthless or have some type of purpose and it would depend on how psycholice defines that purpose of labels. Which he has already stated they have none or he was being sarcastic.
psychoslice
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I know you do that much is obvious.Thank you, I try my hardest.
McBell
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Neither of your links contain a definition of "label".
I am wondering why said definition is so elusive...
Who does?
again, please define "label"
Straw Man. Go back and read the psychoslices post and ask him.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Labels are what you identify something as, we label everything from our name to our death, what we label is only a convenience to serve us, of course so we can communicate together, but the label no matter how beautiful isn't what we label it as, we call a chair a chair, and that is what it is on one level, but in all truth its much more than a mere chair, and this goes for everything else.
A label, your name, does not identify you as a person. Which is exactly my point.
Water, is the name of H2O and H20 is clearly defined by the periodic table. Wet, is not a descriptive property of water.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Well I suppose we do agree in some ways, see no matter what you say about water its always going to be a label, you cannot avoid it. When we see the water for the first time, that is without preconceived ideas or labels, what do we call it then, we for the first time see it as for what it is, that is until we label it.
Water isn't labeled with anything. We do not put labels on water. Unless it is packaged and sold at your local gas station or grocery store. In a material / science sub-forum we do not put labels on things. We do not call a pear a fruit when it has descriptive properties and can be accurately identified.
A label (as distinct from signage) is a piece of paper, polymer, cloth, metal, or other material affixed to a container or product, on which is printed information about the product. Information printed directly on a container or article can also be considered labeling.
Labels have many uses including providing information on a product's origin, use, shelf-life and disposal, some or all of which may be governed by legislation such as that for food in the UK.[1] Methods of production and attachment to packaging are many and various and may also be subject to internationally-recognised standards.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Of course everything is labelled, water is just a word, the so called water isn't the word, the word water was made up by someone as everything else, surely you can see that ?.
McBell
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Are you going to define "label" or not?
I have not presented any strawman.
I asked for you to define "label".
You claimed you already have.
I then asked for the post where you defined "label".
You presented two links that did not define "label".
I pointed out the fact that your links did not define "label".
You claim my pointing out the lack of definition is a strawman.
I asked YOU to define "label".
What are you afraid of?
McBell
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:biglaugh:
You do know there is more than one definition for "label", right?
la·bel
n.
1. An item used to identify something or someone, as a small piece of paper or cloth attached to an article to designate its origin, owner, contents, use, or destination.
2. A descriptive term; an epithet.
3. A distinctive name or trademark identifying a product or manufacturer, especially a recording company.
4. Architecture A molding over a door or window; a dripstone.
5. Heraldry A figure in a field consisting of a narrow horizontal bar with several pendants.
6. Chemistry See tracer.
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n.
1. An item used to identify something or someone, as a small piece of paper or cloth attached to an article to designate its origin, owner, contents, use, or destination.
2. A descriptive term; an epithet.
3. A distinctive name or trademark identifying a product or manufacturer, especially a recording company.
4. Architecture A molding over a door or window; a dripstone.
5. Heraldry A figure in a field consisting of a narrow horizontal bar with several pendants.
6. Chemistry See tracer.
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psychoslice
Veteran Member
Even defining the word label is really only giving us more labels for the word label.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
hydrogen and oxygen makes what we call water, the feel of that water is what we call wet, but all this is nothing but labels, I have been reported to staff for saying this, and called a troll, where does it end lol.