Why is there a Hell?

[chinu]

I was noticing such statements as "why does God need to burn me in Hell if I don't believe in Him."

Currently we all are burning in a big hell, In spiritual language Hell is the another name for this world.
When in this world somebody realize the he/she is living in hell, only than one can know the importance of heaven, or what is heaven.

OTHERWISE.. till than keep on enjoying this world , But definatly the day will come, because if there is high there is low, if there is ice there is fire, its nature....

 

[zenzero]

Friend ID-Neon,

Agree with the OP.

Love & rgds

 

[cablescavenger]

I was noticing such statements as "why does God need to burn me in Hell if I don't believe in Him."

Such a statement requires that we have some authoritative thread that simply in the OP quells any room for questions such as this.

The most basic answer is any separation from God is Hell, and our separation from God is partially, our choice. God can only reveal Himself to us so far, the rest of the decision is upon us.

God didn't make Hell except in that by creating freewill, allowing us to make a choice, Hell is a necessary choice. Without that choice we could not have freewill.

I think that satisfactorily summarizes the logical argument for Hell?

For an argument to be logical any assumptions must be clearly defined as such and separated from the argument.

If we examine your statement and then take out all of your assumptions, then we would have to remove...

The most basic answer is any separation from God is Hell, and our separation from God is partially, our choice. God can only reveal Himself to us so far, the rest of the decision is upon us.

God didn't make Hell except in that by creating freewill, allowing us to make a choice, Hell is a necessary choice. Without that choice we could not have freewill.

I think that satisfactorily summarizes the logical argument for Hell?

Everything left is the content of your argument, which is....

I was noticing such statements as "why does God need to burn me in Hell if I don't believe in Him."

Such a statement requires that we have some authoritative thread that simply in the OP quells any room for questions such as this.

In other words your "logical" argument has a distinct lack of substance.

 

[JacobEzra.]

Why is there a Hell?

Because people give more money to porn, alcohol and food then the church? lol

 

[chinu]

Why is there a Hell?

Because people give more money to porn, alcohol and food then the church? lol

I think you are a church-man.. loll ?

 

[waitasec]

I don't see how creating hell is necessary...

it's a necessary tool for ultimatums

 

[Horcrux_6]

Isn't it just essentially a state of mind? I've been reading the Qu'ran and this is one of the things I have the biggest issue with. The constant repeating of hellfire related idioms. But I guess that's the point, it's an idiom.

To echo Madhuri, you go where you are most attracted to by how you vibrate, which is determined, as far as I have understood (or would like to believe, take it as you will), by your Karma; essentially the positive or negative you emit, and, in turn, receive back, full circle. As Above, so Below; As within, so Without.

 

[waitasec]

Isn't it just essentially a state of mind? I've been reading the Qu'ran and this is one of the things I have the biggest issue with. The constant repeating of hellfire related idioms. But I guess that's the point, it's an idiom.

To echo Madhuri, you go where you are most attracted to by how you vibrate, which is determined, as far as I have understood (or would like to believe, take it as you will), by your Karma; essentially the positive or negative you emit, and, in turn, receive back, full circle. As Above, so Below; As within, so Without.

yet good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people...

hell to me is christian cosmic karma justice, a way to reconcile the reality that life isn't fair.

 

[Astravalon]

Being sent to Hell is ... abscent from the Bible. It is actually explained by Jesus as a result of choice, not a condition bestowed upon you by God.

Even if one argues that God doesn't send someone to hell but rather that they choose to go there, God still would not be off the hook. One reason being found in Proverbs 24:11-12:

"Rescue those being led away to death;
hold back those staggering toward slaughter.
If you say, 'But we knew nothing about this,'
does not He who weighs the heart perceive it?
Does not He who guards your life know it?
Will He not repay each person according to what he has done?"
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Passively permitting someone to wander into their own destruction is, according to this, wrong. Most Christians would agree that God is sinless and therefore not in the business of wrongdoing. On top of that, being that He's Omniscient, God doesn't have the luxury of saying "But I knew nothing about this!"

As one who spent approximately four years as a Christian Universalist using Christianity's own bible to disprove hell (in a different forum, not this one), I can say that this is just one reason, out of many, that the hell thing doesn't make sense.

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[Horcrux_6]

yet good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people...

hell to me is christian cosmic karma justice, a way to reconcile the reality that life isn't fair.

Trust me, I know all about that. Which is why I struggle with that concept itself, even though I firmly believe it. I'm fully aware this is a massive paradox.

However, I think it can be explained by Will. Regardless of how good or bad you are, if Mr Crazy Axe Man comes along with the nutty intention of cleaving your face into pieces, he will achieve said result unless your own Will is stronger than his. Will makes things happen; it makes the universe move, as such, to aid you in accomplishing what you wish to accomplish. Without strong Will you are essentially ready to be steamrolled, regardless of how good or bad you are.

However, once again, considering the lack of anything remotely definitive surrounding hell, the only thing I can assume is that it's symbolic, relating to the sub-concious (or deeper, my knowledge on that front is very limited) desires of your soul; hence the need to be aware, or enlightened.

 

[waitasec]

Trust me, I know all about that. Which is why I struggle with that concept itself, even though I firmly believe it. I'm fully aware this is a massive paradox.

However, I think it can be explained by Will. Regardless of how good or bad you are, if Mr Crazy Axe Man comes along with the nutty intention of cleaving your face into pieces, he will achieve said result unless your own Will is stronger than his. Will makes things happen; it makes the universe move, as such, to aid you in accomplishing what you wish to accomplish. Without strong Will you are essentially ready to be steamrolled, regardless of how good or bad you are.

However, once again, considering the lack of anything remotely definitive surrounding hell, the only thing I can assume is that it's symbolic, relating to the sub-concious (or deeper, my knowledge on that front is very limited) desires of your soul; hence the need to be aware, or enlightened.

hell seems to be a convenient idea when there is lack of will or control...
over other people's actions

hell is also a convenient way to rationalize and justify the hate one feels towards one who has done a wrong.

 

[Horcrux_6]

hell seems to be a convenient idea when there is lack of will or control...
over other people's actions

Point taken; when you really think about it, though, the concept of a 'lack of Will' is fundamentally at odds with having Will in the first place (unless this is a direct result of some sort of mental illness), essentially rendering the very statement itself nonsensical.

All human beings have Will to a certain extent (with obvious exceptions, as above), therefore a 'lack of Will' is simply a choice to not use it as effectively or optimally as it's potential allows; you and I both have Will, as did Ghandi and John Cleese. No more, no less; we all had Will.

Also; how can you ever expect to have control over other people's actions?

 

[JacobEzra.]

I think you are a church-man.. loll ?

The most devout
Lol

 

[Levite]

I was noticing such statements as "why does God need to burn me in Hell if I don't believe in Him."

Such a statement requires that we have some authoritative thread that simply in the OP quells any room for questions such as this.

The most basic answer is any separation from God is Hell, and our separation from God is partially, our choice. God can only reveal Himself to us so far, the rest of the decision is upon us.

God didn't make Hell except in that by creating freewill, allowing us to make a choice, Hell is a necessary choice. Without that choice we could not have freewill.

I think that satisfactorily summarizes the logical argument for Hell?

I actually often find myself grateful that, since Jews do not believe in Hell, I am spared the theodical struggling to find a theology that can sustain both the existence of eternal damnation and an ethical God.

 

[BobbyisStrange]

I have always enjoyed this argument. It actually caught me off guard back in my Protestant days. I was asked of I have any children...yes I do...do I love them unconditionally...yes I do...is there anything they could do that would make me burn them for an eternity...no there isn't...do you believe in God...yes I do ( I don't anymore)...is he all loving...yes he is...however if you don't believe in him or his son, he will cast you in the lake of fire for eternity...correct...then I was told I was more moral than God, because no matter what my children do, I cannot think of any torturous penalty that I would openly suggest, let alone sentence them to...which, if he does exist, me (and most human beings)would most certainly be more moral than the Christian God.

 

[Yusz]

God is loving all and most forgiving. If God doesn't want bad human, God can make this human, non exist anymore or vanish for eternity ... Hell is just religion concept, to make Human more discipline and doing good all the time. Btw, I think this world is already hell enough for certain human ....

 

[BobbyisStrange]

God is loving all and most forgiving. If God doesn't want bad human, God can make this human, non exist anymore or vanish for eternity ... Hell is just religion concept, to make Human more discipline and doing good all the time. Btw, I think this world is already hell enough for certain human ....

And that same hell on earth, some Christians would say, you have to suffer it to understand gods love...it's nonsense.

 

[melcollanero]

Is there only as human concept. You should ask why would a man create such a concept. The common sense tells the reason behind this is to manipulate the human act, and to seek repentance in their minds when realizing some considered "bad" act. It would easily invented in the past by what now you know as politician (priests or so in the past) to avoid incest, raping, killing, stealing, etc. The priest as mediator in what now we know as law(s). Hence hell as metaphor to avoid consummate a crime after the idea invaded your way of thinking.

 

[Maya3]

There is no hell, that is something people made up to get other people to do what they wanted.

You can certainly have a hellish life, if you only do bad things you will attract "bad" people and that is hard to get out of. But that is very different from a physical hell.

Maya