Kelly of the Phoenix
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Seems to be cyclical. I have been reading about various civilization failures and they are very similar but while I see some solutions I don’t see people doing them.
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Why is this world out of control?
- Thread starter Revelation 21:4
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Kelly of the Phoenix
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I don’t think a God who can lose control of a planet deserves worship.
Ashoka
श्री कृष्णा शरणं मम
He's a Jehovah's Witness. They believe Michael and Jesus are the same.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
That doesn't account for random acts of evil.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Kinda depends what you mean by control.
God will put things right in his time. He's still able he's just not ready yet.
Mental illness and other defects account for random acts of evil.
In my opinion.
Audie
Veteran Member
That would make you half man and half wit
wellwisher
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All the things you speak of are connected to fear. This fear mongering is being led by the media and politics, which both seem to get more mileage out of fear and conflict than out of peace and contentment. If someone wins a Nobel Prize, you may see a 30 second blip on TV. If a plane crashes this story will linger for days and you will be made to feel planes are falling out of the sky like snowflakes. This drum beat of fear seems to keep audiences tuned in, allowing more commercial time to be sold. Good does not keep audience glued but rather feeling good makes people want to go outside and enjoy life. This has got to the point where the fear conditioning has made people more irrational, thereby making behavior more irrational, seeking solutions to the fear. Fear is not a good place to create solutions, since it often adds to the fear.
For example, pollution was far worse 50 years ago than it is today. At that time, gasoline contained lead; ethyl-lead, and people were breathing lead fumes all day long. Lead today is made scarier at much lower levels. Lake Erie, one of the Great Lakes in northern USA, used to catch fire due to pollution pumped into the lake. This is not the case, today, but the fear is higher. Why are people more scared of pollution today? The constant drum beat of divisive politics and media fear mongering, over more forms of media, makes rational facts less conscious, since one is living in the moment, induced by constant fear mongering.
Consider how much fear mongering was put into the fake Trump and Russia collision scam, that the Democrats ran, and which now is no longer in vogue. How many played in into the fear. Today we have whole new angles of fear mongering. All this fear and anger for nothing, adds to irrationality. The bogeyman was among us, but were were looking at actors and not the directors of fear.
This increase in fear might be traced to the rise of Liberalism into an international movement from the 1970's onward. Liberalism does not like things of the past, that many Conservatives seek to restore. These were connected to a time of more hope and less fear and fear mongering. People today have more emotional and psychological problems, due to the spirit of division, where the Left pits black against white; critical race theory, male against female; misogynist, natural against unnatural; hater, creating artificial division that add to the collective fear and anxiety.
For example, the Left hates religion and has used politics and the legal system to keep religion out of the town square. Yet it also to trying to force religion to accept homosexual marriage. Does anyone see the problem they have set up. If you hate a group of people; religion, why would you expect them to be nice and accept people from your flock? The end game is is not change of heart love but but sabotage. They are not trying to help religion, since they hate religion. Homosexuals have become pawns, used by the Left, to creative further division in religion; between those who want to love and those who use practical strategic thinking. It would be like Conservatives wanting the Left to accept a large group of MAGA people, since they are people too. That will never happen because it is not consistent other behavior. This is split brain hypocrisy designed to divide people.
The Left, in Europe, created their own mini Soviet Union; European Union, with Russia expected to remain a separate country. The match of war was lit over a decade ago; Russian-Ukraine war. When England decided to leave the Liberal Socialist Republic; LSR, there was a constant political drum beat to maintain the LSR, and not let England go back to their old fashion values with less stress. Old fashion had to feel even worse stress.
The entire media complex from Hollywood, advertisers, internet, Cable, TV, newspapers and magazines use Liberal fear and spin, since this can be used to manipulate for power and money. Censorship on Twitter, for example, was an old Soviet style tactic, connected to perpetuating disinformation by removing countering facts and arguments.
There are signs in the air this is turning around because the propaganda machine and the Swamp have lost its monopoly in Washington and in Europe.
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WalterTrull
Godfella
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
Over inflated egos, selfishness, greed.
Colt
Well-Known Member
True, Lucifer (with his free will) confused and thwarted the plans for our world. Christ Michael defeated Lucifer in truth while on earth as Jesus. I believe the evil ones were taken away. What's left is the confusion, suspicion, mistrust and self-will of our own. The human heart is deceitful quite on its own without a Satan influencing us. IMOP
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Or a God who supposedly knows the future, creates a spirit being and gives it all sorts of power and free will, and then blame it for rebelling against him. Then doesn't destroy it but sends it to Earth? But, the good news, one day Jesus will chain him up and all will be well for 1000 years, but then God let's him go? But, not to worry, then Jesus destroys him once and for all. Why did God create him at all? The answer I've heard is to test people. Great, God proved that most people would fail the test. As if God didn't already know that.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Yes, who is this wicked one? Is this Satan/the devil a Christian creation that had its roots in Judaism but also included dualistic beliefs from other religions?
Only twice in the Hebrew Bible does Satan appear as a specific figure, as HaSatan — the Satan. One is a brief reference in the Book of Zecharia, where the high priest is described as standing before a divine angel while Satan stands at his right to accuse him. The other is in the Book of Job, where Satan has a central role in the story as an angel in the divine court. According to the biblical narrative, Satan — here too commonly translated as the Adversary
Satan is a character that appears in the belief systems of many religions, including Christianity and Islam. In Judaism "satan" is not a sentient being but a metaphor for the evil inclination – the yetzer hara – that exists in every person and tempts us to do wrong.
In Christian belief, Satan is a fallen angel that has freedom of choice and rebels against God. Christians conveniently use the “Satan, to explain any evil or irrational behavior (such as non belief in Jesus as messiah or god). The New Testament is fertile ground for this outlook. It is only here that Satan becomes a wicked, rebellious angel, which quite likely evolved the character called Satan into an evil angel and enemy of God based on theological Persian dualism where such a construct is present.
Jewish View
He (Satan) is clearly subordinate to God, a member of His suite (Heb. Bene ha-elokim), who is unable to act without his permission. Nowhere is he in any sense a rival of God. The Encyclopedia Judaica The Christian claim that it was Satan who created evil is utterly fraudulent according to our Tanach: I (God) form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Isaiah 45:7 God creates all things, not simply good things. There isn't a single verse in the entire Tanach that states that Satan ever created evil or ever disobeyed a command from God. Satan is an obedient servant of God in the Tanach who serves the role of man's accuser in God's court.
Satan is a character that appears in the belief systems of many religions, including Christianity and Islam. In Judaism "satan" is not a sentient being but a metaphor for the evil inclination – the yetzer hara – that exists in every person and tempts us to do wrong.
In Christian belief, Satan is a fallen angel that has freedom of choice and rebels against God. Christians conveniently use the “Satan, to explain any evil or irrational behavior (such as non belief in Jesus as messiah or god). The New Testament is fertile ground for this outlook. It is only here that Satan becomes a wicked, rebellious angel, which quite likely evolved the character called Satan into an evil angel and enemy of God based on theological Persian dualism where such a construct is present.
Jewish View
He (Satan) is clearly subordinate to God, a member of His suite (Heb. Bene ha-elokim), who is unable to act without his permission. Nowhere is he in any sense a rival of God. The Encyclopedia Judaica The Christian claim that it was Satan who created evil is utterly fraudulent according to our Tanach: I (God) form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Isaiah 45:7 God creates all things, not simply good things. There isn't a single verse in the entire Tanach that states that Satan ever created evil or ever disobeyed a command from God. Satan is an obedient servant of God in the Tanach who serves the role of man's accuser in God's court.
Then for those Christians who like to use the name "Lucifer", there is this... It is a Latin word from a Latin translation of the Bible.
Where did the name Lucifer originate? The word “lucifer” appears just once in the KJV and NKJV, in Isaiah 14:12. It is translated from the Hebrew word heylel. “Lucifer” is a Latin word meaning light-bearer, from lux meaning light and fero meaning to carry. It found its way into the KJV and the NKJV through the Vulgate version of the Bible. The Vulgate version is a translation of the Bible into Latin.
So, is Satan/Lucifer real or just something that people created out of myth, legends and traditions?
Colt
Well-Known Member
Genesis portrays the "crafty beast" as a real personality reality that is even condemned for misleading Eve. If devil wasn't real then maybe Eve wasn't real either? Maybe God isn't real, rather just the spirit of good?
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Well, I understand that some people believe the Creation story as being literal. I'm thinking it's probably not. When it comes to Satan, I think it's very possible that he's not as real as some Christians believe him to be. Although, I could believe that there are "dark" forces at work in some mysterious spiritual plane. But it could be more like a dualistic thing going on... the positive and negative... light versus darkness. But is it real spirit beings or just forces? I don't know. But I think the concept of Satan was developed over time and had lots of different influences.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
That would mean they were not actually evil, just glitches in the matrix.
Good point ^ above^ that you don't see people doing the solution (such as living by the Golden Rule - Leviticus 19:18)
Prof. Alex Tyler said a democracy can't last much more than 200 years because once people (greedy) learn how to get money out of the treasury that causes economic collapse.
Thus, we now see the selfish distorted form of love the world now displays as described at 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13.
Which I find is the opposite of the definition of Christ-like love defined at 1 Corinthians 13:4-6.
- But I find there is divine involvement into human affairs just as Jesus said there would be at Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8
- The good news (gospel) of God's kingdom (Daniel 2:44-45) is being proclaimed on a grand-global international scale as never before in history just as Jesus instructed.
- Jesus, as king of God's kingdom, will take the action as found at Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-15
At 1 Thessalonians 4:16 I find that Lord Jesus has the archangel's voice. (singular only one archangel in the Bible)
To me everyone has their own voice, so Jesus having the archangel's voice makes Jesus as the archangel.
The 'sword-like executional words from Jesus' voice' will rid the Earth of the wicked - Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-15
I find some people think these last days of badness on Earth is the 'end times' for Earth.
Rather, it is the end times or last days for badness on Earth - 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13
We are nearing Jesus' coming Glory Time as found at Matthew 25:31-34,37.
The figurative humble ' sheep' (people Revelation 7:9,14) can remain alive on Earth and be here on Earth to see calendar Day One of Jesus' coming thousand-year governmental reign over Earth when even ' enemy death ' will be No more on Earth - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26; Isaiah 25:8.
So, it should be No wonder why we are all invited to pray to God for Jesus to come !
Come and to undo all the traumatic process with struggle and pain we now have on Earth.
Come and bring ' healing ' to earth's nations as mentioned at Revelation 22:2