Why is your Deity better and why are you sure you are right?

[wizanda]

Do (some of) the righteous beings have more power (to help, guide, etc.) than (some of) the unrighteous beings (to lead astray, etc.)?

Looking at the state of the world, I'd have to say the unrighteous out weigh the righteous in misleading...

Yet reality is manifest by the righteous, we're just nearer to Hell; so whereas we can turn towards Oneness, most fail to understand.

Is it conceivable that there are unrighteous (human or other) beings with potentially great power to lead others astray?

It is blatant they have, and we can identify them; yet it isn't some evil super force, it is individual twisted souls, who prefer wealth, over everyone's survival.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Looking at the state of the world, I'd have to say the unrighteous out weigh the righteous in misleading...

Yet reality is manifest by the righteous, we're just nearer to Hell; so whereas we can turn towards Oneness, most fail to understand.

It is blatant they have, and we can identify them; yet it isn't some evil super force, it is individual twisted souls, who prefer wealth, over everyone's survival.

So how can you be sure that the voice you heard at 15 wasn't from an unrighteous (human) being seeking to lead you astray?

 

[Thanda]

Then who created those things that already existed. Please
Regards

No one. They weren't created because they cannot be created. If you believe God was not created then it is easy to understand how things can exist that were not created

 

[1AOA1]

I hope Poseidon exists. It would be sweet to see him rise up out of the sea with his giant fork and seaweed beard!

Which text defines Poseidon as such?

 

[paarsurrey]

No one. They weren't created because they cannot be created. If you believe God was not created then it is easy to understand how things can exist that were not created

Sorry, I don't agree with you. Please
Regards

 

[wizanda]

So how can you be sure that the voice you heard at 15 wasn't from an unrighteous (human) being seeking to lead you astray?

There is no way to be sure, that the being that asked me to read the religions, and make peace in the world, was trying to lead me astray, by telling me what we'd find in most eschatology globally.

 

[Thanda]

Sorry, I don't agree with you. Please
Regards

Okay. How long did God spend alone before creating anything?

 

[amorphous_constellation]

1 - Why is your Deity better than the Others?

and

2 - What makes you so sure that you got it right and the others do not?

I think an interesting thing you might consider is, are these questions feasible to ask in the light of a culture of people 'naturally' acquiring a religion. I think if religion is naturally acquired, oftentimes the people in it believe in the greatness of their deity, and that they have it right. However, these questions don't even occur to them, because they have a foundation of certainty in the religion they acquired, having acquired it naturally as a circumstance of existence. Once it reaches the point where we have to ask these questions, all certainty has already long been toppled over. And thus naturally acquired religion of any kind can make no stand against it, for is it in the nature of any religion to question principles which are so foundational?

 

[paarsurrey]

Okay. How long did God spend alone before creating anything?

It is an invalid question. Time itself is a creation of G-d. Please
Regards

 

[metis]

Time itself is a creation of G-d. Please
Regards

Were you there when He supposedly created it?

 

[The_Fisher_King]

There is no way to be sure, that the being that asked me to read the religions, and make peace in the world, was trying to lead me astray, by telling me what we'd find in most eschatology globally.

But if you believe that the religion called Christianity is a corruption of the original teachings of Yeshua, is it not also possible that all other religions are also corruptions of the original teachings of their founders? If that is the case, the religions of the world - and their eschatologies - are not reliable sources for gaining knowledge about the Nature of Reality.

 

[wizanda]

all other religions are also corruptions of the original teachings of their founders?

All the religions are; there are oral traditions, additional books, and all sorts attributed to different founders, which contradict what they said originally.

This world is the Maya (delusion); where everything ends up corrupted in some way....Thus the religions can help teach us that.

the religions of the world - and their eschatologies - are not reliable sources for gaining knowledge about the Nature of Reality.

This is true, and all the religions could be wrong or all could have some elements of truth within them, and only by comparing the whole, can we hope to see.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I think I’ll need an example for this. I don’t really get it…

People make these sort of claims all the time, and it's not limited to religion. I've seen people claim honesty, whilst I know darn well they've been lying to someone moments before, for example.
But religion is one of the factors that sometimes leads to people claiming a certain sort of behavior whilst performing another. Divorce and adultery both occur with people who claim to follow Biblical laws against such things, as a simple example. There are obviously much more subtle examples, where people are 'merely' talking out of both sides of their mouth, so to speak.

I make judgement calls on people's honesty all the time, professionally, and from time to time, personally. I'm sure I'm wrong at times, and I try to be honest with myself and separate what I know from what I suspect. But I've been asked to be a Godfather more than once by religious folk who then wanted me to stand up and renounce Satan, and promise to raise their children as Christians if they were to pass away. Despite knowing quite well I couldn't do the first, and wouldn't lightly do the second. But to their minds it didn't really matter, since that wasn't the point, it was more an acknowledgement of my role in the kids lives. That just strikes me as hypocritical and a little bizarre (although apparently very common).

I'm not looking for universal condemnation of these things, or even for people to agree with my stance. But that's kinda the point. Given my beliefs, etc, I fully expect different people to have different positions, and for the 'right' position to be a relative thing. But anyone claiming to have the 'right' position is really opening themselves up to doubt on their sincerity when they knowingly act in a planned fashion despite this.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

All the religions are; there are oral traditions, additional books, and all sorts attributed to different founders, which contradict what they said originally.

This world is the Maya (delusion); where everything ends up corrupted in some way....Thus the religions can help teach us that.

This is true, and all the religions could be wrong or all could have some elements of truth within them, and only by comparing the whole, can we hope to see.

I believe we can also, constantly, ask for God's Guidance. And be prepared to receive Her Words. For (I believe) She speaks in no uncertain terms, if we open our minds and our hearts. Indeed, She speaks to me. I agree that all the religions of the world have become corrupted, so we must be careful how we interpret them, both individually and as a whole. To see the Truth is not an easy thing.

 

[paarsurrey]

Were you there when He supposedly created it?

What is your evidence that G-d did not create anything under a system/process? Please present it.
Regards

 

[Nefelie]

My God is better because he didn't create everything out of thin air. He used things that already existed. This is important because if created everything, including every part of us, then he would be responsible for every bad thing that happened and which everyone did and would have no right to punish anyone for their sins […]No one. They weren't created because they cannot be created. If you believe God was not created then it is easy to understand how things can exist that were not created

So, in other words, you are saying that besides god there was also something else that is responsible for everything evil? Like a “bad god”?

If so, why did “good god” allowed “bad god” to have a say in creation? He wasn’t “strong” enough to stop him or was there a plan?

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I think an interesting thing you might consider is, are these questions feasible to ask in the light of a culture of people 'naturally' acquiring a religion.

Sure! Why not?

I think if religion is naturally acquired, oftentimes the people in it believe in the greatness of their deity, and that they have it right.

True. So, isn’t it good to give them a chance to think?

However, these questions don't even occur to them, because they have a foundation of certainty in the religion they acquired, having acquired it naturally as a circumstance of existence.

Yes, I agree. But again: isn’t it good to give them a chance to think?

Once it reaches the point where we have to ask these questions, all certainty has already long been toppled over. And thus naturally acquired religion of any kind can make no stand against it, for is it in the nature of any religion to question principles which are so foundational?

I’ve met many people that have questioned their natural religion at some point, and returned to it stronger and wiser. Of course, others have chosen to change their beliefs. Either way, I believe it’s best to really know why you believe what you believe and be able to defend it. Not for or against others, but for your own self.

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[Thanda]

So, in other words, you are saying that besides god there was also something else that is responsible for everything evil? Like a “bad god”?

If so, why did “good god” allowed “bad god” to have a say in creation? He wasn’t “strong” enough to stop him or was there a plan?

Good and bad exist as eternal opposites just like Light and Dark. One need only create light, and the absence of that light is the dark. The dark is not created, but it eternally coexists with light. Because light exists darkness exists.

Likewise there are principles upon which a harmonious universe can be built. God is trying to achieve that. The starting point is that anything which assists in God's work of creating such a universe is by definition good (assuming you accept that a harmonious universe is good). And by the same logic anything which opposes God's work is evil.

Now let's move on to the subject of human beings: The spirit of man (if I may speak of it that way) is one of those things God never created. It is what it is. God offers this spirit an opportunity to advance in knowledge and power. Before coming to this Earth each of us accepted that offer. Now every time we act in a way that limits our progress toward attaining knowledge and power is by definition evil. God hates it when we do things that limit our progress. That is, He hates sin. But He loves the sinner and will always try to persuade him or her to come to the light and follow the path that will lead to their eternal welfare.

God cannot destroy all the evil in the universe (or beyond) as he never created it in the first place. But he can destroy the evil in us (or the desire to do evil). However doing so requires us to be changed and God will not change any of our nature without our permission. We must want to change lest at some future time we some claims God is going around simply making clones of himself. It would be unjust for him to do so and so this life has been given as a test of our desire to do good and live in the light. Those who show the necessary commitment will receive a change of heart and mind that will allow them to ascend and become like God himself.

 

[Smart_Guy]

I don't think what matters is "better" or "right", I think what matters is what one believes and without imposing it on others or being jerks about it.

I believe God as mentioned in Islam is the only true god and Islam as a religion is the only right religion.

Others believe Shao Khan is the only true god and Shawurmisim is the only right religion.

I would respect Shawurma people and their freedom of choosing their beliefs and believing in Shao Khan.

 

[metis]

What is your evidence that G-d did not create anything under a system/process? Please present it.
Regards

I've posted enough times that "I don't know" that you should not even have to ask the above question. The point of my last post to you is that you are jumping to a conclusion minus any evidence that it could be correct, but I'm certainly not going so far as to make any claim that your conclusion is wrong.

So, back to the question I had asked you that you conveniently avoided: "Were you there when He supposedly created it?", yes or no? If "yes", then you're a lot older than I thought; if "no", then maybe your statement should have been prefixed by "I believe...".

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I’ve met many people that have questioned their natural religion at some point, and returned to it stronger and wiser. Of course, others have chosen to change their beliefs. Either way, I believe it’s best to really know why you believe what you believe and be able to defend it. Not for or against others, but for your own self.

Yeah I see what you're saying, that's a kind of method much advocated by scientific modernity, but are there any negative side effects in doing that? Digging down deep into the psyche to figure out where the bottom of the well is and constantly being on guard at all the time seems to akin to deep psychological surgery. And as a result partly from this, I think we live in an age of nihilism. No doubt that certainty leads to different existential conclusions, but it is the road to a good human life paved with a kind of questioning doubt?