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Why is your religion the true religion?
- Thread starter JustWondering
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They are worshiping the True God; just a different face of It.
"The wise speak of what is One in many ways."
-Rig Veda 1:164:46
nameless
The Creator
using idols and images for worshipping is same as like using signs for numerical calculations. The numbers dont have any symbols or signs, but the beginners assume they do have to make it easier for them to get the results. Its the faith and concentration what it matters in worshiping.
There are different levels in Hinduism, at the higher levels you wont see people worshipping any idols or images, they even stops worshipping. Its Hindus who stated the formless aspect of god first.
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DavyCrocket2003
Well-Known Member
I'm just going to jump into the middle of this and answer the OP. Sorry if it's intrusive. :/
So I think you're question would apply to me thus "Why do you believe in Mormonism when there are so many other good religions to choose from?"
I believe in my Church because it is alive. In my opinion, the true church of God manifests the same fruit wherever and whenever it is found upon the earth. The things we read about happening in the Bible when the apostles were still on the earth should be going on today. The gifts of the Spirit should be manifest. It should look the same. There should be apostles and prophets. There should be proper priesthood power and authority. Not in title only but actual power of the priesthood conferred upon those who have been called of God and who also hold the proper priesthood authority, traceable back to Jesus Christ, whose power it is. There should be something different about it. It should produce a "peculiar people" or different. Jesus taught "Ye are the light of the world." As well as "Ye are the salt of the earth." That is what I am looking for in a Church.
Now, does any of this prove the Mormon church is true? No. But it sure should gets my attention that it claims to have all those things. Now how do I find out if it is a true church or not? I would suggest that that can be addressed in a large part by looking at its founding. Joseph Smith claimed to have had a vision in answer to prayer where God the Father and Jesus Christ appeared to him. He claims that they called him to be a prophet and restore Christ's Church to the earth and the corresponding priesthood authority. The Church of Jesus Christ is a result of what he claims to be a "restoration of all things." Well, if God is involved with this process, it is certainly very doable. If not, Joseph Smith is a fraud or psychotic. I believe that the question of the validity of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is in large part answered by whether or not Joseph Smith is a true prophet of God. I turn to the Bible for help with this all important question. In Mathew, Jesus says:
15 ¶ Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
In my opinion, this is a very clear way to tell a true prophet from a false: judge by the fruit. If the fruit is good --> The fruitbearer must also be good. So, what is Joseph's Fruit. Well, I think one very clear fruit is the Book of Mormon. Joseph Smith published the Book of Mormon as a further Testament that Jesus is the Christ, confirming the testimony of the Bible. I conclude that if the Book of Mormon is good fruit, Joseph Smith must be a true prophet. The question now arises, how do we determine the validity of the Book of Mormon and it's message? The book is self-explanatory. Moroni was the last prophet who's writings are recorded in the Book of Mormon. As he closed his record (which was intended for our day) he told us how we can find out if the book is true:
4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.
You know the Book of Mormon is true the same way you know the Bible (or rather, the gospel taught in the bible) is true. You pray, ask God, and receive a witness through the Holy Ghost.
James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
You have to taste the fruit to see whether it's a good tree or a rotten tree. Essentially, I have tasted the fruit. Nothing that is such a sweet and powerful testimony of Christ could have come from a bad tree. The testimony it contains is so vibrant, so glorious, it could not possibly come from any but a true prophet of God. And we are forced to entertain the incredible idea that Joseph Smith is truly a prophet of God commanded to restore the fullness of the Gospel to the earth once more. It really is dumbfounding, overwhelming, and exciting all at the same time.
So I think you're question would apply to me thus "Why do you believe in Mormonism when there are so many other good religions to choose from?"
I believe in my Church because it is alive. In my opinion, the true church of God manifests the same fruit wherever and whenever it is found upon the earth. The things we read about happening in the Bible when the apostles were still on the earth should be going on today. The gifts of the Spirit should be manifest. It should look the same. There should be apostles and prophets. There should be proper priesthood power and authority. Not in title only but actual power of the priesthood conferred upon those who have been called of God and who also hold the proper priesthood authority, traceable back to Jesus Christ, whose power it is. There should be something different about it. It should produce a "peculiar people" or different. Jesus taught "Ye are the light of the world." As well as "Ye are the salt of the earth." That is what I am looking for in a Church.
Now, does any of this prove the Mormon church is true? No. But it sure should gets my attention that it claims to have all those things. Now how do I find out if it is a true church or not? I would suggest that that can be addressed in a large part by looking at its founding. Joseph Smith claimed to have had a vision in answer to prayer where God the Father and Jesus Christ appeared to him. He claims that they called him to be a prophet and restore Christ's Church to the earth and the corresponding priesthood authority. The Church of Jesus Christ is a result of what he claims to be a "restoration of all things." Well, if God is involved with this process, it is certainly very doable. If not, Joseph Smith is a fraud or psychotic. I believe that the question of the validity of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is in large part answered by whether or not Joseph Smith is a true prophet of God. I turn to the Bible for help with this all important question. In Mathew, Jesus says:
15 ¶ Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
In my opinion, this is a very clear way to tell a true prophet from a false: judge by the fruit. If the fruit is good --> The fruitbearer must also be good. So, what is Joseph's Fruit. Well, I think one very clear fruit is the Book of Mormon. Joseph Smith published the Book of Mormon as a further Testament that Jesus is the Christ, confirming the testimony of the Bible. I conclude that if the Book of Mormon is good fruit, Joseph Smith must be a true prophet. The question now arises, how do we determine the validity of the Book of Mormon and it's message? The book is self-explanatory. Moroni was the last prophet who's writings are recorded in the Book of Mormon. As he closed his record (which was intended for our day) he told us how we can find out if the book is true:
4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.
You know the Book of Mormon is true the same way you know the Bible (or rather, the gospel taught in the bible) is true. You pray, ask God, and receive a witness through the Holy Ghost.
James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
You have to taste the fruit to see whether it's a good tree or a rotten tree. Essentially, I have tasted the fruit. Nothing that is such a sweet and powerful testimony of Christ could have come from a bad tree. The testimony it contains is so vibrant, so glorious, it could not possibly come from any but a true prophet of God. And we are forced to entertain the incredible idea that Joseph Smith is truly a prophet of God commanded to restore the fullness of the Gospel to the earth once more. It really is dumbfounding, overwhelming, and exciting all at the same time.
BruceDLimber
Well-Known Member
Greetings, greetings! 
Great!
You can find lots of information about us at:
And for starters, there's this quote from the Baha'i scriptures:
"There can be no doubt whatever that the peoples of the world, of whatever race or religion, derive their inspiration from one heavenly Source, and are the subjects of one God. The difference between the ordinances under which they abide should be attributed to the varying requirements and exigencies of the age in which they were revealed. All of them, except a few which are the outcome of human perversity, were ordained of God, and are a reflection of His Will and Purpose. Arise and, armed with the power of faith, shatter to pieces the gods of your vain imaginings, the sowers of dissension amongst you. Cleave unto that which draweth you together and uniteth you."
(The Proclamation of Baha'u'llah, p. 114;
also Gleanings, CXI, pp. 217-8)
I wish you good hunting!
Regards,
Bruce
Great!
You can find lots of information about us at:
And for starters, there's this quote from the Baha'i scriptures:
"There can be no doubt whatever that the peoples of the world, of whatever race or religion, derive their inspiration from one heavenly Source, and are the subjects of one God. The difference between the ordinances under which they abide should be attributed to the varying requirements and exigencies of the age in which they were revealed. All of them, except a few which are the outcome of human perversity, were ordained of God, and are a reflection of His Will and Purpose. Arise and, armed with the power of faith, shatter to pieces the gods of your vain imaginings, the sowers of dissension amongst you. Cleave unto that which draweth you together and uniteth you."
(The Proclamation of Baha'u'llah, p. 114;
also Gleanings, CXI, pp. 217-8)
I wish you good hunting!
Regards,
Bruce
JustWondering
Jerk
Can you provide some examples of these deeds and propehesies coming true?
Wannabe Yogi
Well-Known Member
This is just not true even the Sankaracarya Maths do worship. Many of the great saints of Adviata Vedanta did worship their whole lifes. This is a common misunderstanding in the west.
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Wannabe Yogi
Well-Known Member
When I was a christian minister I use to think just like you do. I did not understand the beliefs of others.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy -Shakespeare
Shiasm
My Religion has the good part of every great religion:
Our Husain Continued the sacrifice of Jesus…
Our Ali continued the endure of Moses…
We approve Islam…But reject all of the Historical Islamic leaders after the prophet except for one …
And we believe that in every age there is leader representing God in this life…
And finally there is something different about the Truth…
It just can be felt
My Religion has the good part of every great religion:
Our Husain Continued the sacrifice of Jesus…
Our Ali continued the endure of Moses…
We approve Islam…But reject all of the Historical Islamic leaders after the prophet except for one …
And we believe that in every age there is leader representing God in this life…
And finally there is something different about the Truth…
It just can be felt
Zindagee Rahmaan
Believing in unity
Hello and Salaam alaikum!
I am here to present Islam through Quran and Sunnah. We know Islam basic source is Quran, I wouldn't roll you around sectism.
Islam is a prophetic religion and it believes in prophethood. It is the only religion that never says wrong about all prophets passed before Muhammad pbuh. Quran itself states:
=> Many Were the messengers that passed away before him (Muhamamd pbuh). – [Quran 3:144]
Secondly, in Chapter 2, Al-Baqara, at verse 285 ALLAH defines the true believer:
=> "The messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Lord and so have the believers; each has believed in God, His angels, His scriptures and His messengers. 'We do not differentiate among His messengers' and they said 'we heard and we obeyed; we seek your forgiveness, Our Lord, and unto You is our destiny'."
Thus the believers have five attributes:
(1) they believe in God,
(2) they believe in His angels,
(3) they believe in His books,
(4) they believe in His messengers and, finally,
(5) they do not differentiate among the messengers whom they claim to believe in. Anyone who differentiates among the messengers is not a believer.
However, you all may have observed Muslims are throwing comments for Christians and Jews and other non muslims to prove them wrong. Reason is that previous Scriptures have been CHANGED by their followers and they have diverted the teachings of prophets revealed to them by time to time. Quran defines this fact:
=> "Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allaah] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allaah, and they were witnesses thereto." [Quran 5:44]
In the Quran, Allaah Almighty informs us that the Torah was changed; He Says (what means):
=> "So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from God Almighty," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn." [Quran 4:46]
Islam believes in Unity among all faiths THROUGH ONENESS OF GOD; thus states:
قُلْ يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ تَعَالَوْاْ إِلَى كَلَمَةٍ سَوَاء بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَكُمْ أَلاَّ نَعْبُدَ إِلاَّ اللّهَ وَلاَ نُشْرِكَ بِهِ شَيْئًا وَلاَ يَتَّخِذَ بَعْضُنَا بَعْضاً أَرْبَابًا مِّن دُونِ اللّهِ فَإِن تَوَلَّوْاْ فَقُولُواْ اشْهَدُواْ بِأَنَّا مُسْلِمُونَ
Say: "O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah." If then they turn back, say ye: "Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).
Well Wishes...............
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BruceDLimber
Well-Known Member
Jehovah began to make his name known in Egypt, when he destroyed Pharaoh and his military force in the Red Sea and delivered his people. Since then, he has shown time and again his power over mighty nations including Babylon, Assyria, Medo-Persia, and more.
Here is just a small sampling of hundreds of prophecies Jehovah has spoken that have come true:
BIBLE
PROPHECIES FULFILLED
PROPHECY FULFILLMENT
PROPHECY FULFILLMENT
Genesis 49:10 Judah made the royal tribe of Israel
(1 Chronicles 5:2; Hebrews 7:14)
Zephaniah 2:13, 14 Nineveh desolated in about 632 B.C.E.
Jeremiah 25:1-11 Jerusalems conquest begins 70-year
Isaiah 39:6 desolation (2 Chronicles 36:17-21;
Jeremiah 39:1-9)
Isaiah 13:1, 17-22; Cyrus conquers Babylon; Jews return to
44:24-28; 45:1, 2 homeland (2 Chronicles 36:20-23;
Ezra 1:1-4; 2:1)
Daniel 8:3-8, 20-22 Medo-Persia overthrown by Alexander the
Great and Grecian Empire divided
Isaiah 7:14; Jesus born of a virgin in Bethlehem
Micah 5:2 (Matthew 1:18-23; 2:1-6)
Daniel 9:24-26 Anointing of Jesus as Messiah (29 C.E.)
(Luke 3:1-3, 21-23)
Isaiah 9:1, 2 Jesus enlightening ministry starts in
Galilee (Matthew 4:12-23)
Isaiah 53:4, 5, 12 Death of Christ as ransom sacrifice
(Matthew 20:28; 27:50)
Psalm 22:18 Casting of lots for Jesus garments
(John 19:23, 24)
Psalm 16:10; Resurrection of Christ on the third day
Matthew 12:40 (Mark 16:1-6; 1 Corinthians 15:3-8)
Luke 19:41-44; 21:20-24 Jerusalems destruction by Romans (70 C.E.)
Luke 21:10, 11; Unparalleled warfare, famine, earthquakes,
Matthew 24:3-13; pestilences, lawlessness, and so forth,
2 Timothy 3:1-5 signifying the last days
(1 Chronicles 5:2; Hebrews 7:14)
Zephaniah 2:13, 14 Nineveh desolated in about 632 B.C.E.
Jeremiah 25:1-11 Jerusalems conquest begins 70-year
Isaiah 39:6 desolation (2 Chronicles 36:17-21;
Jeremiah 39:1-9)
Isaiah 13:1, 17-22; Cyrus conquers Babylon; Jews return to
44:24-28; 45:1, 2 homeland (2 Chronicles 36:20-23;
Ezra 1:1-4; 2:1)
Daniel 8:3-8, 20-22 Medo-Persia overthrown by Alexander the
Great and Grecian Empire divided
Isaiah 7:14; Jesus born of a virgin in Bethlehem
Micah 5:2 (Matthew 1:18-23; 2:1-6)
Daniel 9:24-26 Anointing of Jesus as Messiah (29 C.E.)
(Luke 3:1-3, 21-23)
Isaiah 9:1, 2 Jesus enlightening ministry starts in
Galilee (Matthew 4:12-23)
Isaiah 53:4, 5, 12 Death of Christ as ransom sacrifice
(Matthew 20:28; 27:50)
Psalm 22:18 Casting of lots for Jesus garments
(John 19:23, 24)
Psalm 16:10; Resurrection of Christ on the third day
Matthew 12:40 (Mark 16:1-6; 1 Corinthians 15:3-8)
Luke 19:41-44; 21:20-24 Jerusalems destruction by Romans (70 C.E.)
Luke 21:10, 11; Unparalleled warfare, famine, earthquakes,
Matthew 24:3-13; pestilences, lawlessness, and so forth,
2 Timothy 3:1-5 signifying the last days
I think the point is that there's no use to quoting from your scripture to somebody who thinks that this scripture is false/fictional. It would be like me quoting verses from my Vedic scripture to try to convince you of what I believe.
But more importantly is your use of the word 'truth' here. You are claiming that you know truth and others don't which will gain favour in other Christians but not in people of other religions. It could be seen as disrespectful.
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Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Then you might want to find another forum, where proselytizing is allowed.
Those are the results and some verses provided.
Let's see what the verses ACTUALLY say. (And by the way, I hate to break it to you, but the likelyhood of the Exodus story happening exactly as it was told in the Torah is not very good.)
Gen. 49:10
The scepter shall not depart from Judah,
Nor the ruler's staff from between his feet,
Until Shiloh comes,
And to him shall be the obedience of the peoples.
1 Chron. 5:2
Though Judah prevailed over his brothers, and from him came the leader, yet the birthright belonged to Joseph),
Heb. 7:14
For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, a tribe with reference to which Moses spoke nothing concerning priests.
I don't see any actual connection here. The verse in 1 Chronicles doesn't have anything to do with a fulfilled prophecy, and the verse in Hebrews says that it's "evident" but does not say why or how.
Zephaniah simply says that "And He will make Nineveh a desolation," however it is not a prophecy because it does not give an exact date. There is nothing that humans make that will not eventually be destroyed.
I cannot say anything for the exile of Israel at the moment, for I do not know much about the subject. I will not say one way or another for now.
The verses in Daniel aren't all that convincing, I'm afraid. How do I know, for example, that the "interpretation" did not occur until after Alexander's conquest?
Isaiah's Immanuel prophecy does not specify "virgin;" it said: "young woman." That COULD mean a virgin, but it doesn't have to.
Daniel does not say who will be the Anointed One.
Isaiah 9:1-7 seems to be talking about the Messianic Era, which has not come yet.
It's possible that Jesus, being inspired by the Fourth Servant Song of Isaiah, took it upon himself to suffer and die for what someone else did. It's also possible that the song was written with such a person in mind who had done so in the past.
Psalm 22 seems to have been composed by a person who was suffering such a plight at that time. It doesn't look like a prophecy at all, although it is clear that the authors of the Gospels (or Jesus himself) were very familiar with that Psalm.
Psalm 16 is a thanksgiving Psalm, and the verse you cite is simply saying that YHWH will not allow him to die.
It may have been quite clear that Jerusalem was going to be destroyed by the Romans.
The horrors of war have been around forever, famine has always been a problem, and earthquakes have always been around, all in varying degrees of power. Pestilence, if anything, has gone down, and lawlessness is just as prevalent now as it was when Jesus lived.
Sorry, but the verses you've cited which actually WERE prophecies, are very much unfulfilled.
Wannabe Yogi
Well-Known Member
I am glad that you have brought up this verse. It high lights Pauls knowledge of how to convince them of his Gospel and your poor communication skills. Did Paul go to Mars Hill and try to beat the greeks over the Head with the Hebrew Scriptures... No of course not... He was able to put together an argument that the greeks would at least listen to. He knew that the Greeks could care less what the bible said. You seem unable to do this. You can only hit us over the head with the bible. This is because you don’t seem to be able to make a logical argument. If you put Christ first in your life I would think you would learn to form an method other then the bible assult.
You see the early Christians had some power behind there words. They both walk the walk and talked the talk. Then won souls to Christ because of the power of thier life styles.Do you live like they do do you follow the teachings of Christ. If not you are just talking out of both sides of your mouth.
You talk of repentance in the New Testament church this was the signs of repentance. Did you repent... if so, you to must be a Christian
( name means little Christ ) and you must be living the life in the way the early Christians did.
Acts 4
32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had.
33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all.
34 There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need. -New International Version
The early Christians gave all there money to the poor.
Have you !!!!
Look what happened to those who did not give all their money.
Acts 5
1 Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property.
2 With his wife's full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles' feet.
3 Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?
4 Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God."
5 When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened.
6 Then the young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him.
Do you live up to the standerds of the first century church? If not why should I in any way follow your beliefs.
This is what your Gods word say about living the Chritian life.
James 2
20 You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless. -NAS
The early Christians also could not join the Army or even defend there kids from attack. Do you live the life of non Violence of the early Christians.
Early Christians did not engage in sex for fun only for reproduction. Do you do that?
Please be honest in your responses. If not maybe you should repent and become a Christian.
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The topic we are discussing is 'Why is your religion the true religion?' Surely the God who made us would not leave us to grope in darkness for what is true. If there is truth, there is falsehood. False teachings cause great harm to people and keep them in slavery. I am convinced the Bible contains the truth, and defines what is true religion and what is false religion. In keeping with the topic, I cannot separate my religion from the Bible. I have deep respect for others who do not share my views. I'm sure Paul felt respect for the people he spoke to. If you saw a person's home on fire at night, would you consider it impolite to disturb that person as he slept? Of course not.
The topic we're discussing is Why is your religion the true religion? Answering the question is not proselytizing.
RESOLUTION
Active Member
God makes a belief correct... If the truth does not show you that your God is real then ditch it...
