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WHY ISLAM FORBIDS THE GOSPEL?

Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
NathanShepard8888 said:
There is only one gospel and one Torah the Quran can make mention of. Its the Holy Bible.
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I believe when it says "people of the book" it is referring to the whole Bible since that would be in existence in 600 AD. The Torah would represent the OT and the Gospel would represent the NT even though there is a more specific meaning to the term.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
outhouse said:
:shrug:

What is there you can show with any credibility? nothing you have ever brought forward. :shrug:
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Mt 4:23 And Jesus went about in all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom,

I believe you can pick up any BIble and find it so it is there. Are you going to tell me you can't believe your eyes?
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Muffled said:
Mt 4:23
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Was not an eyewitness to anything, nor even named Matthew. The text was unnamed for a long time.

Muffled said:
the gospel of the kingdom,
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Mythology that NEVER TOOK PLACE despite being promised in many ways and time periods, from within their lifetime to "awe we don't know it might not ever happen"


Muffled said:
Are you going to tell me you can't believe your eyes?
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You are going to tell me you have a passion for this book, and refuse to study any part of it in an academic setting?????


Nothing you bring here is credible, it is 100% faith based and factually unsubstantiated.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
outhouse said:
Was not an eyewitness to anything, nor even named Matthew. The text was unnamed for a long time.

Mythology that NEVER TOOK PLACE despite being promised in many ways and time periods, from within their lifetime to "awe we don't know it might not ever happen"

You are going to tell me you have a passion for this book, and refuse to study any part of it in an academic setting?????

Nothing you bring here is credible, it is 100% faith based and factually unsubstantiated.
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I believe the authority of the text is Jesus and He tells me it is so.

I believe you are in error because I am in the Kingdom of God. I think you are referring to the coming physical kingdom but a lack of its appearance is not evidence that it will never come.

I believe I don't need to because I have the best teacher there ever can be in Jesus.

I believe you never find anything credible except your own concepts which are frail at best.
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
Could we try letting the scripture speak?

And those who lie, give false teachings pretending it is from the scripture.
 And from among them is a group who twist their tongues with the Book so that you may think it is from the Book, while it is not from the Book, and they say it is from God while it is not from God, and they say about God lies while they know. – Quran 3:78

We are servants of God, not the messenger
 It is not for any human being that God would give him the Book and the authority and the prophet-hood, then he would say to the people: “Be servants to me rather than God!” Rather: “Be Devotees for what you have been taught of the Book, and of what you have studied.” – Quran 3:79
 Nor does He order you that you take the angels and the prophets as patrons. Would He order you to rejection after you have submitted? – Quran 3:80

Muslims are commanded not to distinguish between Messengers, Be it Muhammed, Jesus or Moses
 Say: “We believe in God and what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus and the prophets from their Lord. We do not make a distinction between any of them, and to Him we submit.” – Quran 3:84

Only those who do not distinguish between those messengers will be in god’s good books.
 And those who believe in God and His messengers and do not make a distinction between any of them, we will give them their recompense. And God is Forgiving,
Merciful. – Quran 4:152
 And they said: “None shall enter the Paradise except those who are Jewish or Nazarenes;” this is what they wish! Say: “Bring forth your proof if you are truthful.” No; whoever submits himself to God, while doing good, he will have his recompense with his Lord. There will be no fear over them, nor will they grieve. – Quran 2:111-112

As the Muslims are told that Christians and Jews stand equal in salvation,the Jews and Christians are told that they are not the only ones who could attain Gods favour, Muslims are eligible too.

Surely those who believe; and those who are Jewish, and the Sabians, and the Nazarenes, whoever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good works; then they will have nothing to fear nor will they grieve. – Quran 5:69

Peace.
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firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
Muffled said:
I believe when it says "people of the book" it is referring to the whole Bible since that would be in existence in 600 AD. The Torah would represent the OT and the Gospel would represent the NT even though there is a more specific meaning to the term.
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The Torah cannot represent the OT. The Gospel cannot represent the NT. The OT has either 39 or 46 books depending on the version. The NT has either 27 or 29 books depending on the version. So, there is no way you can say "Gospel" represents the NT, nor about the Torah representing the OT.

Pls, no offense.
 
Paleo

Paleo

Primitivism and chill
In general a lot of religions (okay mostly the Abrahamic ones) follow a book(s) and said book(s) they usually want you to read and follow them without question and that's very difficult to do if you at any time become a free thinker and, here's the kicker, read books from other religions.
And that does not just go for Islam but for many religions.That's just how it is.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
firedragon said:
The Torah cannot represent the OT. The Gospel cannot represent the NT. The OT has either 39 or 46 books depending on the version. The NT has either 27 or 29 books depending on the version. So, there is no way you can say "Gospel" represents the NT, nor about the Torah representing the OT.

Pls, no offense.
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I believe if I say Christian it can mean a whole bunch of things like Cathloics, Protestants and orthodox. It does not mean that Catholics alone are what Christianity is all about. So it is with the Torah. It can represent all of the old testament even though it is only a small part of it. The same is true of the Gospel even though the Gospel of Jesus and the gospel of Paul are small parts of it.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Paleo said:
In general a lot of religions (okay mostly the Abrahamic ones) follow a book(s) and said book(s) they usually want you to read and follow them without question and that's very difficult to do if you at any time become a free thinker and, here's the kicker, read books from other religions.
And that does not just go for Islam but for many religions.That's just how it is.
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I believe a free thinker is not a Godly thinker and therefore in error.
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
Muffled said:
I believe if I say Christian it can mean a whole bunch of things like Cathloics, Protestants and orthodox. It does not mean that Catholics alone are what Christianity is all about. So it is with the Torah. It can represent all of the old testament even though it is only a small part of it. The same is true of the Gospel even though the Gospel of Jesus and the gospel of Paul are small parts of it.
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Gospel of Jesus? You probably mean the four books called Gospel. No one knows who wrote those books anyway.

Gospel of Paul? I truly have no words.
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
Paleo said:
In general a lot of religions (okay mostly the Abrahamic ones) follow a book(s) and said book(s) they usually want you to read and follow them without question and that's very difficult to do if you at any time become a free thinker and, here's the kicker, read books from other religions.
And that does not just go for Islam but for many religions.That's just how it is.
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The truth is, most religions, especially Abraham religions believe in a book, but none of them follow it.

Typo edit. :)
 
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