The week starts with Sunday, ends with Saturday. God rested on the 7th day, not the first day?
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Why Isn't the Sabbath Saturday?
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Catholicjeff
New Member
The Sabbath was linked to the creation story in Genesis 1 (Exodus 20) and to the deliverance from bondage in Egypt (Deuteronomy 5). When Christ rose from the dead on the first day of the week, our day of rest is now linked to the new creation and the new deliverance from bondage.
cablescavenger
Well-Known Member
That is the holiest of days for atheists.
It is the night of the short skirts.
That's when we do a little dance, make a little love, get down tonight :disco:
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
The Sabbath, technically, does not have to be a certain day. Really, it is just commanded that one works six days and in the seventh rest. I doubt God would care which days are worked and which day is rested on.
Interesting though, many seem to forget the beginning of that verse (at least her in the United States) where it says that for six days one should work. Not really the ideal situation here where we enjoy a two day weekend.
Interesting though, many seem to forget the beginning of that verse (at least her in the United States) where it says that for six days one should work. Not really the ideal situation here where we enjoy a two day weekend.
Infinitum
Possessed Bookworm
Sorry to disappoint you, but the week starts with Monday.
Not many remember that these days.
Shabbat, 'technically', is sunset Friday through sunset Saturday. Attempts to erase that fact are an insult to Jews and Judaism.
CynthiaCypher
Well-Known Member
No, the Sabbath is always on Saturday. Sunday is the Lord's Day, not Sabbath.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
Where does the idea that Sabbath is Saturday come from? Jewish tradition holds that it starts on sunset of Friday; and I support that for Jews. However I see it as tradition.
Christians celebrate it on Sunday, and I support that for Christians. However, again, I see it as tradition.
God's commandment does not list a day. It simply states that there should be one day of rest. I don't think God would care what day that is.
Christians celebrate it on Sunday, and I support that for Christians. However, again, I see it as tradition.
God's commandment does not list a day. It simply states that there should be one day of rest. I don't think God would care what day that is.
CynthiaCypher
Well-Known Member
Once more, Sunday isn't the Sabbath. It is the Lord's Day. Sabbath is always Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.
Didache 14:
But every Lord's day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned. For this is that which was spoken by the Lord: In every place and time offer to me a pure sacrifice; for I am a great King, says the Lord, and my name is wonderful among the nations.
Levite
Higher and Higher
It is.
Ask any Jew, they'll tell you it is. And once upon a time, Christians knew this, which is why in languages like Greek, Spanish, Portuguese, and Italian, Saturday is called Sabbato, Sabado or Sabato.
Why Christians decided to move it to Sunday for their religion, I have no idea. Differentiation, maybe. Or, knowing Christianity, probably to take over a pagan custom.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
Again, many Christians see Sunday as the Sabbath. It is a matter of opinion and tradition. You can't tell me that many Christians, in fact the majority, don't see Sunday as the Sabbath.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
I believe it had to do with the day the sun was worshipped. So yes, probably to take over a Pagan custom.
CynthiaCypher
Well-Known Member
The Church Fathers obviously didn't confuse the Sabbath (Saturday) with the Lord's Day (Sunday)
"If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things680 have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lords Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His deathwhom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Masterhow shall we be able to live apart from Him, whose disciples the prophets themselves in the Spirit did wait for Him as their Teacher? And therefore He whom they rightly waited for, being come, raised them from the dead." -Ignatius of Antioch
Most Christians don't know Church history, doctrine or even scripture. Most Christians are confused and just plain wrong.
I have plenty of quotes like the one above. Sabbath is Sabbath and the Lord's day is the Lord's day.
And some seem intent on making that fact unmistakeable! :yes:
Shabbat is sunset Friday to sunset Saturday.
I enjoy how sum professes how silly all these traditions are, but then take THE most literal of all views when asking the questions about them, often missing obvious groups of people like you dudes.
And not to mention 7th Day Adventists... I thought EVERYONE knew that too, ya know?
:faint:<O lawd!)
And not to mention 7th Day Adventists... I thought EVERYONE knew that too, ya know?
:faint:<O lawd!)
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
This is also addressed to Cynthia
According to Jews and Jewish tradition, yes. However, Christianity has changed their sabbath to Sunday. There is no reason why Christians should observe the Jewish sabbath because they aren't Jews.
The Bible does not make a distinction on when the Sabbath is. It simply is a matter of tradition. That's fine. However, Jewish tradition does not translate to Christian tradition all of the time. There is an obvious difference. The observation of the Sabbath is just one such difference. I don't see why it is a problem.
Here is a fact. Most Christian observe the sabbath on Sunday. For them, the sabbath is on Sunday. Many also recognize that Jews observe the sabbath at a different time. But Christians are not Jews. And the Bible itself does not specify a day. The Bible makes the simple statement that there should be a day of rest or cease from work.
Tradition changes. What some early Christians believed does not mean it is what current Christians should believe. What ancient religious individuals believe are not always the best for today's society.
CynthiaCypher
Well-Known Member
The term is in the Bible! So are we supposed to dismiss the Bible too?
The Lord's day is Sunday and it is different from the Sabbath. Early Christian knew what they believed unlike modern know-nothing evangelicals.
So whose authority are we suppose to tale? The Bible and the Church fathers or modern know-nothing Christians?
cablescavenger
Well-Known Member
I think we need to inject a note of seriousness into this heated debate.
Oh yes, it's ladies night
And the feeling's right
Oh yes, it's ladies night
Oh what a night (oh what a night)
We need to get ready first
:laundry: followed by
Then a bit of this
:disco::clap2::dan:
and a whole lot of
:cheese:
In the hope we get this
:hugkiss::danana:
How you doin ?
Oh yes, it's ladies night
And the feeling's right
Oh yes, it's ladies night
Oh what a night (oh what a night)
We need to get ready first
:laundry: followed by
Then a bit of this
:disco::clap2::dan:
and a whole lot of
:cheese:
In the hope we get this
:hugkiss::danana:
How you doin ?
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
Does the Bible state when the sabbath is? No it does not.
I'm not an evangelical, so your blatant attack means nothing here. Especially when more than just evangelicals accept that their sabbath is on Sunday. The day of the Lord has also often been associated with he sabbath anyway.
As for your last statement. The Bible does not state when the sabbath is. Your point fails. The church fathers made and disagreed on many issues. More so, they acknowledged change. Your point fails again. And Ben your blatant attack shows that you really have no argument but instead a massive prejudice.