Why it's important to vote even if you don't vote for Prez (Or is it?)

[RedDragon94]

My parents want to print me off a voter guide because they believe that I should vote even if I don't vote for president.

I have already said that I don't want to vote, period. But I feel like I might change my mind about voting in the other non-presidential elections after I see a voter guide.

I mean sure, it's important to make your voice heard. Just, how can you vote your values in this presidential election when the two people that want to run the country are both liars, or they're incompetent, or they're a bully?

Thoughts?

 

[pondsbb]

I vote issues and forget about the candidates.

 

[RedDragon94]

I vote issues and forget about the candidates.

My values are a mixture of both parties.

 

[pondsbb]

My values are a mixture of both parties.

I would pick the issues you are most concerned with, myself.

 

[RedDragon94]

I would pick the issues you are most concerned with, myself.

Okay.

 

[Laika]

My parents want to print me off a voter guide because they believe that I should vote even if I don't vote for president.

I have already said that I don't want to vote, period. But I feel like I might change my mind about voting in the other non-presidential elections after I see a voter guide.

I mean sure, it's important to make your voice heard. Just, how can you vote your values in this presidential election when the two people that want to run the country are both liars, or they're incompetent, or they're a bully?

Thoughts?

If you feel that strongly you could always vote for a third party. Libertarian or Green are pretty much an option nation-wide. It may not be consequential but if enough people feel the same way it can build up. (The libertarians may get 5% of the vote this election and be entitledto public funding for their campign in 2020, making it a three way race.) Its more like using your vote as a long term investment rather than for the current race. Third Parties require deeper commitment because its not a win-lose situation, you just vote based on what you believe in. (I would say vote Clinton to stop Trump but your obviously well past that point. )

Its a bit old fashioned but I think I have a duty to vote. Its putting a cross on one piece of paper every four or five years. Its not alot of effort but the hard bit is being informed. It sucks when you care about something and get let down but little things add up, perhaps not to what we want but its still something. The media often makes things appear worse or more black and white than they are as it sells papers or makes up airtime. I'd say voting is worth doing as it isnt just about you but about your country, and sharing in its traditions and freedoms as a greater inheritence we keep alive. Its less than perfect (and often pretty wretched) but its something bigger than us.

Its weird as I am a brit who can't vote but I'm still trying to help out and participate on the forums in the US election. So I've been reading up on US politics to help people out on here. I don't envy you really but if you can find someone to vote for, its worth doing.

 

[David1967]

I'm with you on the president part. Both candidates redefine the term sleezy. Im not going to feel good about either of them getting elected. But in my state of Oklahoma, there are some important state questions concerning things like "right to farm", and education funding that merit showing up to vote. So my advice (for what it's worth) is to check out your voters guide and show up and vote your conscience.

 

[RedDragon94]

If you feel that strongly you could always vote for a third party. Libertarian or Green are pretty much an option nation-wide. It may not be consequential but if enough people feel the same way it can build up. (The libertarians may get 5% of the vote this election and be entitledto public funding for their campign in 2020, making it a three way race.) Its more like using your vote as a long term investment rather than for the current race. Third Parties require deeper commitment because its not a win-lose situation, you just vote based on what you believe in. (I would say vote Clinton to stop Trump but your obviously well past that point. )

Its a bit old fashioned but I think I have a duty to vote. Its putting a cross on one piece of paper every four or five years. Its not alot of effort but the hard bit is being informed. It sucks when you care about something and get let down but little things add up, perhaps not to what we want but its still something. The media often makes things appear worse or more black and white than they are as it sells papers or makes up airtime. I'd say voting is worth doing as it isnt just about you but about your country, and sharing in its traditions and freedoms as a greater inheritence we keep alive. Its less than perfect (and often pretty wretched) but its something bigger than us.

Its weird as I am a brit who can't vote but I'm still trying to help out and participate on the forums in the US election. So I've been reading up on US politics to help people out on here. I don't envy you really but if you can find someone to vote for, its worth doing.

Hope you apply for citizenship some day. The thing about it is both parties think this is the end of America which makes it such a storm of hurt feelings and controversy.

 

[RedDragon94]

I'm with you on the president part. Both candidates redefine the term sleezy. Im not going to feel good about either of them getting elected. But in my state of Oklahoma, there are some important state questions concerning things like "right to farm", and education funding that merit showing up to vote. So my advice (for what it's worth) is to check out your voters guide and show up and vote your conscience.

I'll probably vote for senator and the rest of the issues.

 

[Deathbydefault]

Thoughts?

As far as non presidential issues go, your vote means more.
It really means more when you vote for the one who doesn't get all the advertisement.

Voting for a president with choices like this, it's understandable why you wouldn't bother with it.
I wouldn't have either, if not for the church being a block away and I had nothing to do on lunch break.
Jill was worth the walk, even if it was only out of respect and not motivation.

 

[Laika]

Hope you apply for citizenship some day. The thing about it is both parties think this is the end of America which makes it such a storm of hurt feelings and controversy.

I'm flattered. But the US government doesn't take ex-communists.

...something to do with national security.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

My parents want to print me off a voter guide because they believe that I should vote even if I don't vote for president.

I have already said that I don't want to vote, period. But I feel like I might change my mind about voting in the other non-presidential elections after I see a voter guide.

I mean sure, it's important to make your voice heard. Just, how can you vote your values in this presidential election when the two people that want to run the country are both liars, or they're incompetent, or they're a bully?

Thoughts?

I agree with you completely. People I live around try to convince me to vote and said its my American right. I said I dont like either party and dont know the others so I have no reason. Last time I voted was for Clinton. People told me I should vote for Obama but I just don care for voting.

So I went to the Department of Motor Vichicles (DMV) to update my ID and one side was DMV clients the other absentee votors.

The lady at the desk even said I should vote and we had a short discussion so her reason wasnt a part of Americas history since she isnt from here.

I voted Independent on all. I told the guy (I couldnt use the comp. Visually impaired) that I dont care foe either party. We laughed. If you do vote, usually the Green, Independant, and ai forgot the others get, what, 10% vote.

You can also put yourseld down if you dont like anyone. Someone told me "at least by voting you put one vote against the two parties-they didnt get your vote"

So in that respect, I voted them out.

 

[RedDragon94]

I agree with you completely. People I live around try to convince me to vote and said its my American right. I said I dont like either party and dont know the others so I have no reason. Last time I voted was for Clinton. People told me I should vote for Obama but I just don care for voting.

So I went to the Department of Motor Vichicles (DMV) to update my ID and one side was DMV clients the other absentee votors.

The lady at the desk even said I should vote and we had a short discussion so her reason wasnt a part of Americas history since she isnt from here.

I voted Independent on all. I told the guy (I couldnt use the comp. Visually impaired) that I dont care foe either party. We laughed. If you do vote, usually the Green, Independant, and ai forgot the others get, what, 10% vote.

You can also put yourseld down if you dont like anyone. Someone told me "at least by voting you put one vote against the two parties-they didnt get your vote"

So in that respect, I voted them out.

Thanks Carlita, I'll try to do that.

 

[bobhikes]

My parents want to print me off a voter guide because they believe that I should vote even if I don't vote for president.

I have already said that I don't want to vote, period. But I feel like I might change my mind about voting in the other non-presidential elections after I see a voter guide.

I mean sure, it's important to make your voice heard. Just, how can you vote your values in this presidential election when the two people that want to run the country are both liars, or they're incompetent, or they're a bully?

Thoughts?

Vote 3rd party for the president or just don't vote for the president. There are down line candidates that have a more direct influence on you that you can vote for whereas one vote could count.

My Mayor is up for election.
My County Freeholders and Sheriff.
My House Representative.

We also have 2 questions on the ballot.

All of them are decided by vote count so theoretically they can be won by just one vote.

 

[idav]

I'm flattered. But the US government doesn't take ex-communists.

...something to do with national security.

Hey, just explain to them the ideal is the Star Trek Federation. I think they will understand.

 

[Laika]

Hey, just explain to them the ideal is the Star Trek Federation. I think they will understand.

"resistenceis futile"

(Edit: its a legal thing, left over from the McCarthy era: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideological_restrictions_on_naturalization_in_U.S._law )

 

[Monk Of Reason]

My parents want to print me off a voter guide because they believe that I should vote even if I don't vote for president.

I have already said that I don't want to vote, period. But I feel like I might change my mind about voting in the other non-presidential elections after I see a voter guide.

I mean sure, it's important to make your voice heard. Just, how can you vote your values in this presidential election when the two people that want to run the country are both liars, or they're incompetent, or they're a bully?

Thoughts?

The biggest impact your vote has is your local offices and your house of representatives representative.

I mean if you don't care at all then I don't think you should have to vote. If people don't want to vote thats fine. But those same people I don't think get the valid pass to complain about politics.